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More on Perry's HPV vaccination scandal (opinion)
Natural News ^ | Mike Adams

Posted on 09/14/2011 10:33:27 AM PDT by Scythian

But the story gets even more interesting when you start connecting the dots. A key Merck lobbyist, a man named Mike Toomey, actually served as the governor's chief of staff. In other words, a former top power person for the governor now works for Merck, the drug company that gave money to the campaign of the governor who essentially used dictatorial power to mandate, without any public debate whatsoever, the mass vaccination of young girls with a drug that will earn tens of millions of dollars in profits for Merck. Sound suspicious? It should.

The "dirty money connection" seems obvious to many readers who have been following this story, including one who posted, "Only a man, Rick Perry especially, would sign an executive order, bypassing legislation, to inject girls with chemicals made by one of his contributors even though most parents have never seen sufficient information about this vaccine.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: captaingardasil; cronyperry; friendofalexjones; gardasil; hpv; perry; quackalert; slickrick
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To: magglepuss

“the EO was written meant requiring Texas citizens to contact the government and get PERMISSION to NOT have to inject their daughters with something they felt may not be safe.”

Oh, the horrid horrid horrid Perry. Nobody before him had ever ever dared to tell parents to immunize their kids ....

oh wait a sec.

They DID.

The Texas lege passed laws requiring immunization of schoolchildren.
The Texas lege passed laws allowing the Texas Dept of Health to determine immunization schedules.
The Texas lege passed laws giving the Texas executive branch power to make determinations to change those immunization schedules.

HepB, DTaP, Polio, Hib, PCV, MMR, Varicella, Hep A

It’s all there in the vaccination schedule:

http://info.sos.state.tx.us/fids/201102478-1.html

WOW. This was even done before Perry was governor.

Do you support those laws? These needle-injecting policies?
DO YOU SUPPORT THE LAWS THAT MANDATE NO LESS THAN 21 DIFFERENT VACCINES DOSES TO YOUNG GIRLS, YOUNG BOYS EVEN ***BABIES***?!? OMG, PRECIOUS LITTLE INFANTS!

The lege - before Perry - set about requiring Texas citizens to contact the government and get PERMISSION to NOT have to inject their daughters and infants with something “they felt may not be safe.”

How can you in good conscience not be appalled by this if you feel this way about Perry’s EO?

“What argument with dems do I have for this overreach?”

No argument at all. Vaccines one day, socialist labor camps the next. Its all the same, and if you cant distinguish the two, you have no argument at all.

But I have to tell you, Texas parents have more opt-out rights than Minnesota parents, which make Bachmann quite the sell-out on this ...

http://ace.mu.nu/archives/321389.php

“By all appearances, she felt no need to mention, much less work towards stopping, a vaccination that, by her own standards, is an assault on liberty. Even more so actually. The HPV vaccination, while called mandatory, made available an opt-out provision so that the parental rights that she felt were so paramount could be protected in this decision. The Hepatitis B vaccination in Minnesota (state law since 1993) doesn’t even require parental consent at all. And Hep B’s communicability is similar to HPV in that it is primarily transmitted through intercourse, as opposed to being an airborne illness. Currently, no records can be found of Michele Bachmann sponsoring legislation in the Minnesota legislature to repeal the Hep B vaccination ...

Congressman Bachmann served in the Minnesota congress for 5 years. In all that time, she never felt quite as driven by her parental instincts and conservative nature to decry or work to reverse what now she clearly consider to be an incredible breach of conservative values. I wonder what’s changed? Were the children of Minnesota not important enough? Is it only robbing a childhood if it’s vaccinations that her opponent supported but the one’s back home are just fine? Did she lack the same leadership qualities then? “


81 posted on 09/14/2011 5:33:47 PM PDT by WOSG
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To: WOSG
Yes, of course I support vaccinating school kids against easily communicable diseases. I remember why we were scared of Polio and a bunch of the other diseases we now have vaccines for.

IF you are going to require our kids to attend a public school, where they could easily catch one of those crippling or fatal, easily passed through casual contact or contracted through common events like stepping on a rusty nail type of diseases, and there are safe and effective vaccines against those diseases, then vaccinate.

THAT is both a public good and the responsibility of those who mandated our children be in that situation.

Moreover, IIRC, those sorts of mandates at least went through the legislative process.

With Perry's EO, the legislative process was ignored until the legislators themselves rescinded the EO.

If a Governor is going to force something like that on us, there better first be bodies piling up in the street and people demanding he or she do something about it.

Is that the case with HPV?

82 posted on 09/14/2011 5:45:52 PM PDT by GBA
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To: GBA

“Yes, of course I support vaccinating school kids...”

including the mandates to make sure it happens?

“... against easily communicable diseases.”

Does that include HepB? on the Texas vaccination schedules, not easily communicable, but blood-borne.

As for HPV:
“there better first be bodies piling up in the street..”

Wikipedia says:
- 11,000 cases and 3,900 deaths in the U.S. in 2008. Cervical cancer has substantial mortality in resource-poor areas; worldwide, there are an estimated 490,000 cases and 270,000 deaths.

how easy to catch? ... “easily catch one of those crippling or fatal”
HPV is pretty darn communicable, not only via intercourse but other forms of intimate contacts, so much so that about a quarter of adults have the virus. The American Social Health Association reported estimates that about 75-80% of sexually active Americans will be infected with HPV at some point in their lifetime.

“Moreover, IIRC, those sorts of mandates at least went through the legislative process.”

Certainly, it was wrong of Perry to do this via EO and he admits that. But I explained previously the lege has given the Dept of Health authority to determine immunization rules and schedules, so not all mandates for immunizations came from the lege directly.


83 posted on 09/14/2011 6:41:06 PM PDT by WOSG
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To: Scythian

Whatever. You all know you’re going to get stuck with Romney or obama right?


84 posted on 09/14/2011 6:42:43 PM PDT by jersey117
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To: WOSG
No, I'm not for the Hep B vaccine being mandatory. The flu is seriously deadly and I'm not for mandatory flu shots either, so I'm not very consistent on vaccinations, just about not being told what to do by GovCo.

I agree that HPV is both common and that several strains will kill you. Texas legislature or any other state's can make the vaccine mandatory and I don't care as long as it isn't my state doing it to my kids. Just so you know, Gardasil is not risk free and has a body count.

The issue is not Gardasil per se, but Perry's judgment and use of power. Gardasil wouldn't be an issue for me if Perry had not entered the race for the most powerful political office in the world.

And, then it wouldn't be an issue if it had gone through the legislative process and then Perry signed it into law.

I want the POTUS to be someone who I can trust to always be and to always err on the side of the Constitution, personal liberty and freedom.

That might seem trivial, but it's one of my Presidential litmus tests and with his HPV mandate, Perry failed it.

85 posted on 09/14/2011 8:03:02 PM PDT by GBA
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To: perfect_rovian_storm
Perry’s the one who caused the scandal by his actions in the first place.

It was hardly a "scandal" at the time.

86 posted on 09/14/2011 8:10:33 PM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: lonestar
It was hardly a "scandal" at the time.

Really? A historical search of news articles shows a lot of hits. We even heard about it nationally. But I bet that was just an overreaction.

I mean, it's just silly to think that a situation where a sitting governor has a former chief of staff lobbying for Merck while his current chief of staff's mother-in-law is the head of the Texas chapter of a group that lobbies for Merck, met with Merck and took $5k from Merck on the very day that he decided to mandate the use of a Merck product, making Merck millions...silly to think that would ever be a scandal! Tinfoil hat!

Well, I'm glad you told me, because now we can just move on the myriad other scandals in Rick Perry's past.

87 posted on 09/14/2011 8:32:31 PM PDT by perfect_rovian_storm (Perry's idea of border control: Use both hands while driving truckloads of illegals over it.)
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To: perfect_rovian_storm
Well, I'm glad you told me, because now we can just move on the myriad other scandals in Rick Perry's past.

Thank you! People from Texas tired of it long ago..

BTW, you leftout that Perry got about $28,000 over a ten year period from Merck.

And you know that Gardasil has gotten positive results according to MD Anderson and other cancer institutions.

88 posted on 09/14/2011 9:18:08 PM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: Marie

You have a big case of not what you know but what you know that isn’t so!!!!


89 posted on 09/14/2011 9:23:59 PM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: lonestar

Wait. How’d you get so tired of it if it wasn’t a scandal?


90 posted on 09/14/2011 9:28:38 PM PDT by perfect_rovian_storm (Perry's idea of border control: Use both hands while driving truckloads of illegals over it.)
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To: G Larry
70% of all cervical cancer are caused by two of the four HPV strains stopped by gardasil. Fact.

(I mistakenly said 75% before) It is also true that some vulva, vaginal and anal cancers are by one of the 4 strains of HPV.

Over 12,000 cases of cervical cancer and over 4,000 death associated per year. Fact.

Many vaccines are not 100% effective. But the testing result for Gardasil are nearly 100%.

This isn't about promoting promiscuous behavior. There are far more dangerous and immediate concerns more prevailing than HPV to not be promiscuous. If you or your child was just waiting for HPV protection to become promiscuous, you have bigger problems.

It is about stopping a form of cancer. It works nearly 100% of the time.

91 posted on 09/15/2011 4:54:17 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: G Larry
provides a false sense of security, regarding all STD’s

No one else is claiming this stops all or even most STD's. Why are you making this claim?

92 posted on 09/15/2011 4:55:47 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: perfect_rovian_storm
Wait. How’d you get so tired of it if it wasn’t a scandal?

Actually, I was referring to tired of hearing about it on FR. "Long ago" is the past three weeks of a steady diet of this crap.

Y'all give new meaning to "beating a dead dog!"

93 posted on 09/15/2011 5:00:52 AM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: thackney

These shots are being given to children as young as 11.

Do you suppose when you tell a young girl, “This shot is to prevent HPV.” that she is not interpreting that as:
A) Permission to start having sex.
B) Notice that she doesn’t have to worry about contracting an STD, and conflating that to infer it protects more than it does.

Do you suppose that qualifies as: “...provides a false sense of security, regarding all STD’s.”?


94 posted on 09/15/2011 5:03:42 AM PDT by G Larry (I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his character)
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To: Scythian

Gardasil is a very effective drug that can prevent women from unnecessary cervical cancer. Cervical cancer is much higher in the Hispanic and black populations who can not afford annual pap smears to detect the cancer early.

While we know that it is often a horrible idea to use government to attempt do good, Rick Perry is guilty of doing just that.

Shame on him! How dare he try to use his government position to assist low income women prevent a preventable disease. Why it would destroy the conservative’s image! Imagine if we started trying to help low income women stay out of very expensive hospitals and very costly end of life care. What is this world coming to?


95 posted on 09/15/2011 5:13:45 AM PDT by listenhillary (Look your representatives in the eye and ask if they intend to pay off the debt. They will look away)
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To: G Larry
And all indications are that they provide a lifetime immunity.

What is the age that rapists will not go below? Sadly, children younger than this are raped.

Notice that she doesn’t have to worry about contracting an STD, and conflating that to infer it protects more than it does.

You are the first person I have ever seen try to claim that others think it protects more than it does.

Do you suppose that qualifies as: “...provides a false sense of security, regarding all STD’s.”?

No. It makes no claim against any other STD. Only you are trying to claim other think that.

96 posted on 09/15/2011 5:14:24 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

Well then I must be genius for being the only one to recognize that an 11 year old could possibly get the wrong message...../s

If kids understood and acted on all the advice they received:
a) they wouldn’t be kids
b) they’d use condoms every time and would be protected against a wider range of bad outcomes.
c) they wouldn’t have sex before marraige

To suggest the vaccine is intended to protect against bad outcomes from rape, illustrates the desperation of your position.


97 posted on 09/15/2011 5:25:35 AM PDT by G Larry (I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his character)
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To: WOSG
-- acting like girls are `forced' when there is an optout (which many states done have) --

National Opt-out Map

Only Virginia and Washington DC mandate HPV vaccination.

98 posted on 09/15/2011 5:29:00 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: G Larry

I believe the belief that some kids might get confused is darn poor justification to not stop thousands of death per year by cancer.

And if all your kid wanted was this vaccine to justify being promiscuous, you need to address the bigger problems you have with your kid.

The rape issue is not the sole justification for the vaccine. Even without that issue, I am still in favor of the vaccine. But the issue does still exist.


99 posted on 09/15/2011 5:29:34 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

“you need to address the bigger problems you have with your kid”

Well!
You’re finally getting the message!

Quit trying to inoculate against bad outcomes and start teaching kids there are consequences for their behavior.
AIDS, HPV, cancer, pregnancy, STDs, poor self-esteem, poverty due to lack of motivation to marry, single child homes.....GET IT?!?!


100 posted on 09/15/2011 5:40:10 AM PDT by G Larry (I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his character)
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