Posted on 09/14/2011 6:49:22 AM PDT by BfloGuy
Bachmann is making the case that opposing vaccinations required by the state is fundamentally a conservative issue, which is news to many conservatives given that mandatory vaccinations have been around as long as they have, and, to my knowledge, we haven’t made it a big part of the Republican platform to oppose them. But if you listened to Bachmann last night, it’s clear that she believes this is the type of issue on which a presidential candidate must stand, must do the right thing, and cannot waver in putting this forth as a conservative principle lest we risk infecting millions of children with mental retardation.
Has this always been an enormous part of this warrior’s soul? Apparently not.
By all appearances, she felt no need to mention, much less work towards stopping, a vaccination that, by her own standards, is an assault on liberty. Even more so actually. The HPV vaccination, while called mandatory, made available an opt-out provision so that the parental rights that she felt were so paramount could be protected in this decision. The Hepatitis B vaccination in Minnesota (state law since 1993) doesn’t even require parental consent at all. And Hep B’s communicability is similar to HPV in that it is primarily transmitted through intercourse, as opposed to being an airborne illness. Currently, no records can be found of Michele Bachmann sponsoring legislation in the Minnesota legislature to repeal the Hep B vaccination or to add a parental opt-out.
(Excerpt) Read more at redstate.com ...
The point of the article is that she does not seem to be against ALL state mandated vaccines, nor even against ALL state mandated vaccines for sexually transmitted diseases. Her outrage seems to be limited to Gardasil, and that appears to be because she thinks she can gain a political advantage from it.
Its a legitmate issue for small government conservatives.
This is stupid.
Perry admitted he was wrong. Why keep it up?
Perry was wrong to use an executive order to force a vaccine that was only for an STD.
End of story.
I find it pretty disingenuous and repulsive that he admits his error in order to get elected. Had he admitted the error a year ago, I might think he meant it.
I appreciated Bachmann getting a rise out of Chris Matthews with the comment about “the more pro-American parts of the country”.
But I’m afraid this is the end or near the end of Michele’s candidacy. It’s not really a HUGE deal, but she chose to make it.
As to vaccines and behavioral choices — Hep B (mandated) is also a more behavior related disease (sexual or drug use). Sure, there can be accidental needle stick injuries (rare), but also there can be non-behavioral contact with HPV — i.e. rape. Once you’ve got it, there is no getting rid of it (currently).
There can be legitimate concern with whether a vaccine or medicine has been well-researched. We have to always go with reasonable efforts at safety. Other vaccines have been mandated with less outcome studies. It is very difficult to prove causation unless you have controlled other factors and measured against placebo. It would take thousands of fake placebo injections to really know, due to the rarity of serious side effects.
The idea here is to change the subject from Perry’s rotten EO, and make Bachmann the bad guy.
They don’t let the facts get in their way.
She didn’t make any such distinction in the debate. The issue was parental rights, and the suite of mandatory school vaccinations is as much a violation of those rights as Gardasil.
This whole line of attack is dishonest opportunism, and I have been generally preferred Bachmann over the others.
Gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men (MSM)1 represent approximately 2% of the US population, yet are the population most severely affected by HIV and are the only risk group in which new HIV infections have been increasing steadily since the early 1990s.
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/msm/index.htm
Abortion Mortality
Using national PMSS data (36), CDC identified nine deaths for 2006 that were potentially related to abortion. These deaths were identified either by some indication of abortion on the death certificate or by reports from a health-care provider or public health agency.
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss6001a1.htm?s_cid=ss6001a1_w
Is your other claim as false as this one?
Medicines have side effects. The FDA requires them to be communicated in any advertising, so evidently they think its important.
Shocking that you think a deadly side effect is worth dismissing just because you don’t like the candidate.
So like Perry you can be bought.
Did you read the article? It’s about Bachmann and Hepatitis B, which is spread through the same pathway/behavior as HPV...
Did you read the article? It’s about Bachmann and Hepatitis B, which is spread through the same pathway/behavior as HPV...
So then you have a problem with Perry, Romney, Bachmnann, and Palin, right? - because all of them have served in state governments that mandated at least the Hep-B vaccine, and did nothing to repeal it.
I oppose government mandating vaccinations, but I don’t think she is going to say that she opposes opt-out MMR, hepatitis, etc. forced on children through the government schools. In fact, I don’t think she does. We’ll see.
Good question. I don't have the relevant facts, but a comparison between Hep-B and HPV of infection rate, morbidity and mortality might provide justification for differentiating public policy between the two.
I believe all states mandate Hep-B vaccination, and only Virginia and Washington DC mandate vaccination against HPV. There must be some justification for the disparity in public policy treatment.
In what way does cervical cancer not meet this requirement? Gardasil stops the the viruses that causes 75% of all cervical cancer.
It's an "inconsistency" no matter how you look at it. She didn't oppose mandatory vaccines for sexually-transmitted diseases in her own state and then she did in someone else's. It's not a "high" bar -- she's made this her primary issue at the moment.
It warrants scrutiny. After all, she is trying to point out inconsistencies in Perry's record. He says he's conservative, but she claims that this vaccine issue shows he isn't. If what you say is true [can't highlight inconsistencies in a candidate's record], then I guess she shouldn't have brought it up at all.
You are correct that each candidate has some. I have been leaning towards Perry, but his inconsistencies and failure to adequately explain his illegal immigration stances are extremely disappointing. Unlesss someone else gets in, I may have to live with them, though.
I won't criticize someone else for bringing them up.
We have an opt out of all vaccines in MN. And I did opt my kids out.
Exactly.
Was he just pandering?
He has admitted it before, but you’d have to live in Texas and pay attention to know. This hasn’t been an issue in Tx for several years.
It is stupid to keep harping on this.
BTW the continual harping by pundits on Bachmanns gardasil comments are every bit as politically motivated as her comments seems to have been. So what?
I understand the attacks on the Executive Order, as long as they are honest and include all aspects of the Order and not selective editing.
But too many (in my opinion) have tried to make this about the vaccine itself.
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