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Giving Up on Bachmann
Powerline ^ | 09/14/11 | Steven Hayward

Posted on 09/14/2011 6:05:05 AM PDT by freespirited

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To: perfect_rovian_storm

OK. You’ve made it clear. You’re unhinged. Meds might help.


141 posted on 09/14/2011 10:22:53 AM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: achilles2000

No, I’ve made arguments that you can’t counter, so you call me names. That’s just fine with me.


142 posted on 09/14/2011 10:27:53 AM PDT by perfect_rovian_storm (It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged. -- G.K. Chesterton)
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To: perfect_rovian_storm

Clickable link for that:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/39184408/ThromboVision-Timeline-With-Contributions


143 posted on 09/14/2011 10:28:55 AM PDT by perfect_rovian_storm (It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged. -- G.K. Chesterton)
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To: perfect_rovian_storm

No, you’ve just demonstrated that you aren’t worth the effort.


144 posted on 09/14/2011 10:29:16 AM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: achilles2000

LOL...really? I’ve just shown you a blatant pay-to-play scheme and all I get from you is that I’m ‘unhinged’, ‘need meds’ and I’m ‘not worth the effort’?

That’s just fine. Support your corrupt candidate. Just don’t try and pretend he’s anything else, because he’s not.


145 posted on 09/14/2011 10:31:50 AM PDT by perfect_rovian_storm (It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged. -- G.K. Chesterton)
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To: miss marmelstein

Not, Palin, she’s not weak. Your comment is weak.


146 posted on 09/14/2011 11:11:14 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: so_real

>> If you don’t, have a look at the injury stories and death memorials <<

I did look. Nine anecdotes about deaths aren’t the least bit probative.


147 posted on 09/14/2011 11:55:59 AM PDT by Hawthorn
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To: miss marmelstein

>> whenever the word “ergo” starts cropping up in a Free Republic post, my eyes tend to glaze over <<

Sorry to have bored you.

But I really think you should take it as a something of a compliment, or a sign of respect, that I assumed you had appreciation for the standard practices of formal logic.


148 posted on 09/14/2011 12:57:10 PM PDT by Hawthorn
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To: Hawthorn

No one comes on FR to be lectured or taught formal logic. Surely you know that. I’ve read and reread your post and what you are basically saying is that I will always suspect that female politicians are going to be dissed by conservatives. You may be right about that or you may be wrong. Right now I believe that among conservatives there is NO place for a female presidential candidate. I find that sad and infuriating. (Conservative women are among the worst!)

I’m sorry if I was snarky to you. I enjoy taking the mickey out of people sometimes and when I saw the latin word, I just had to go for it! I apologize.

You take care.


149 posted on 09/14/2011 1:08:12 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Run, Sarah, Run! Please!)
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To: miss marmelstein

>> Right now I believe that among conservatives there is NO place for a female presidential candidate <<

Correct. The two leading female possibilities have shown themselves to be “unpresidential” — Bachmann by her demagoguery on vaccines and Palin not only by her abandoning the Alaska battlefield under fire, but also by her playing cutesy games about whether she will/won’t enter the POTUS sweepstakes.

The key phrase in your post, however, is “right now.” I’m firmly convinced that the overwhelming majority of conservatives were intially willing to give both women full and fair consideration. I think that initial reaction by conservatives falsifies your hypothesis that most conservatives are irretrievably biased against female candidtates.

So, “right now” the situation is this:

Michelle and Sarah have shot themselves metaphorically in their feet and have shown themselves not ready for POTUS-style prime time. But let’s reserve judgment for a few years. Come 2020, when Marco Rubio picks his VP running mate, Nikki Haley may surprise you!

>> I’m sorry if I was snarky to you. I enjoy taking the mickey out of people sometimes and when I saw the latin word, I just had to go for it! I apologize. <<

Very gracious of you. But really, no need to apologize. I can take it!


150 posted on 09/14/2011 1:38:57 PM PDT by Hawthorn
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To: Hawthorn

Nine anecdotes about deaths aren't the least bit probative.

Those were just the deaths. Did you read any of the more than three dozen "anecdotes" about debilitating injury? Did you read any of the replies from parents concerning other afflicted children? Did you Google to see how many sites like this one exist on the Internet today espousing the same issue?

Did you know the MedAlerts website has received more than 21,000 reports of adverse reactions to the Gardasil vaccine (click)?

What's your number? How many people do you need to see suffer before you consider the drug might have -- as Bachmann stated -- "very dangerous consequences"?

After doing the homework, you might find it more "probative" than you did initially. Bachmann's misstep was in her presentation, not her sentiment. Santorum provided a very similar argument and no one is admonishing him. The only reason Bachmann is in the spotlight is that she made an emotional plea (and, I believe, a more feared contender to the establishment GOP than Santorum).


151 posted on 09/14/2011 1:39:32 PM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: Hawthorn

I like Nikki Haley very much although I don’t know much about her.

I wish I shared your optimism about female candidates but I think that the level of vitriol spewed at Bachmann and Palin will keep many good women from coming forward for years to come.

Do you read some of the post here? There was one guy who compared Bachmann’s speaking voice to overhearing a rectal exam on a bus. As a woman, I was so disgusted and offended. And depressed. I am not the only woman here who feels this way. For some reason, most of these women will not go public with their feelings about FR and conservatives. We post private messages to each other.

All this will probably change one day. But I’m sure I’ll be dead before it happens, lol!

Again, take care.


152 posted on 09/14/2011 1:56:29 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Run, Sarah, Run! Please!)
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To: so_real

>> Did you read any of the more than three dozen “anecdotes” about debilitating injury? <<

Three dozen anecdotes when hundreds of thousands of females have taken the shots? Get real, my FRiend, get real.


153 posted on 09/14/2011 1:57:28 PM PDT by Hawthorn
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To: miss marmelstein

>> Do you read some of the posts here? <<

Sure. But don’t take them all so seriously. The number of whacky and irresponsible posts on FR seems to have increased a lot in recent months. I suspect that many of them are from trolls who want deliberately to stir up dissension among conservatives.


154 posted on 09/14/2011 2:03:16 PM PDT by Hawthorn
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To: Hawthorn

In all that post, the only piece that stuck with you was the three dozen? That's cold. Not going to do any homework?


155 posted on 09/14/2011 2:03:58 PM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: Redleg Duke
There was an Opt-out path

Was that opt-out path made clear when the bills were introduced, as opposed to being put in "page 8" where you would have to search for it?

If it was not made clear without having to search for it, then considering it was a "mandate" the Bachmann would have a point.

If the opt-out path was made clear, then, well, I had high hopes for Bachmann, but this might do it.

156 posted on 09/14/2011 2:08:03 PM PDT by TwelveOfTwenty (Compassionate Conservatism? Promoting self reliance is compassionate. Promoting dependency is not.)
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To: Hawthorn

That’s an interesting point of view. Maybe you’re right! Trolls. Ergo - YUCK, lol!


157 posted on 09/14/2011 2:18:40 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Run, Sarah, Run! Please!)
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To: freespirited

Things that in themselves are not important, but reveal a person who shoots off her mouth before thinking things through:

1) Wishing Elvis a Happy Birthday on the day he died.
2) Praising Waterloo, Iowa’s most prominent citizen, John Wayne (Gacy)
3) Saying Gardisil causes mental retardation

I like you, Michelle, but if you are not smart enough to learn from your mistakes, you are not smart enough to be president.


158 posted on 09/14/2011 2:41:10 PM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears ("But resist, we much...we must...and we will much...about...that...be committed." - Al Sharpton)
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To: Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears

Good point. Also, at the last debate she asserted that Merck had made “millions of dollars” off Perry’s order. Of course this is ridiculous, since it was never implemented.

She’s too much of a loose cannon.


159 posted on 09/14/2011 3:30:48 PM PDT by freespirited (Stupid people are ruining America. --Herman Cain)
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To: so_real

Why do you think Bachmann joined Romney in attacking Perry?


160 posted on 09/14/2011 4:47:25 PM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma ( You cannot elevate Palin by tearing down Perry)
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