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The right and wrong way to talk about Gardasil; Update: A really, really stupid attack on Palin
Michelle Malkin ^ | 9/13/11 | Michelle Malkin

Posted on 09/13/2011 12:27:11 PM PDT by Anamnesis

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To: rintense

Fine and dandy, but you didn’t answer my question: Would you object to kids being given Gardasil if it really does effectively protect them from horrible cancers?


81 posted on 09/13/2011 4:31:42 PM PDT by Tribune7 (If you demand perfection you will wind up with leftist Democrats)
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To: Perdogg

Whatever Perry did or didn’t do isn’t the issue now - they are using it as an attack on Palin. That doesn’t sit right with me! So I’m ALL for the truth being exposed.

A note to MB supporters - she’s Mitt side kick so he can look presidential. The GOP strategy in action.

Perry needs to pounce away on MB about romneycare and she where she stands on that.


82 posted on 09/13/2011 4:32:51 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: rintense

What facts are missing?

Using the means at his disposal, Perry shifted the costs to the insurance companies from the families that wanted the vaccines and gave a way out for those that didn’t.

Perry didn’t write the laws that required insurance companies to pay for mandated shots, he just used what was on the books.

In other words, Perry made a cancer preventative medication within affordability of every family that wanted it.

What part of that bothers you?

Preventing cancer or making it affordable?


83 posted on 09/13/2011 4:37:44 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (Proud to be a RINO.)
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To: Tribune7

As a mandate and law, yes. It is MY choice as a parent.


84 posted on 09/13/2011 4:40:05 PM PDT by rintense (Polls are for strippers and cross country skiing. ~ Sarah Palin, 9.3.11)
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To: Eagle Eye
I object to:

1. Nanny state tactics guised under the 'I hate cancer' excuse. Who doesn't hate cancer?

2. The same nanny state reaction aided by BigPharma

3a. Reactionary legislation by executive order without consulting the state legislature.

3b. Reactionary legislation by executive order without proper research (as Perry has apologize for).

4. You scratch my back, I'll shave yours 'same as it always was' politics.

5. And the most important, the government claiming to know what's best for my children.

85 posted on 09/13/2011 4:41:44 PM PDT by rintense (Polls are for strippers and cross country skiing. ~ Sarah Palin, 9.3.11)
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To: Carling

What you say does not hold water. Some of Palin’s biggest attackers also work for Fox News.


86 posted on 09/13/2011 4:46:32 PM PDT by Sea Parrot (Democrats creation of the entitlement class will prove out to be their very own Frankenstein monster)
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To: rintense
As a mandate and law, yes. It is MY choice as a parent.

So if it were made part of a school inoculation program you'd want an opt-out, right?

87 posted on 09/13/2011 4:54:22 PM PDT by Tribune7 (If you demand perfection you will wind up with leftist Democrats)
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To: Tribune7
I'd homeschool.

Again, if opt out is SOOO wonderful, why not rescind the law and make the vaccine optional for all without red tape- just like the flu shot?

88 posted on 09/13/2011 5:04:50 PM PDT by rintense (Polls are for strippers and cross country skiing. ~ Sarah Palin, 9.3.11)
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To: rintense
Again, if opt out is SOOO wonderful, why not rescind the law and make the vaccine optional for all without red tape- just like the flu shot?

The law rescinded the executive order :-)

If I were a Texas parent, I don't think I would have supported Perry's executive order, but the more I look at it the more it seems that he was doing what he thought was right and wasn't being a corrupt corporate tool like some are accusing him of doing. I saw some posts accusing him of actually using children as lab rats. They had him looking like a Hollywood villain.

And maybe Perry was right and children would be better off if given the chance to get a free Gardasil shot, although it would have sat a lot better -- and actually still be in effect -- if he did it through the legislature.

Right now, he's got my vote and I feel a lot better about my primary vote than I did four years ago.

89 posted on 09/13/2011 5:18:45 PM PDT by Tribune7 (If you demand perfection you will wind up with leftist Democrats)
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To: rintense

Obviously you hate children, you hate Texans, you have families, especially poor families and you are unashamendly pro-cancer.


90 posted on 09/13/2011 5:40:34 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (Proud to be a RINO.)
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To: Eagle Eye

I don’t think Perry should burn in hell, but I sure think you need to take your meds because you appear to have lost your mind.


91 posted on 09/13/2011 5:54:43 PM PDT by beandog (You can't elevate Perry by tearing down Palin)
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To: Eagle Eye

Once, again the government has no business telling private insurance companies what they have to cover.


92 posted on 09/13/2011 5:57:42 PM PDT by beandog (You can't elevate Perry by tearing down Palin)
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To: beandog

Insurance is a highly regulated business, and it seems that they do have that right and authority to do so.

Perry didn’t write the rules, he just used them to help people.

So what part of helping people gain access to a cancer preventing drug using the laws and means available to him do you hate?


93 posted on 09/13/2011 6:02:23 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (Proud to be a RINO.)
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To: Eagle Eye

I don’t care if they have the legal right to do something, that does not mean it’s the conservative thing to do.

So in other words you’re from the “I’m from the government and I’m here to help” wing of the Republican party.


94 posted on 09/13/2011 6:08:08 PM PDT by beandog (You can't elevate Perry by tearing down Palin)
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To: ozzymandus

Yes, yes there was.

In general, there is a lot more heat than light on this subject from all quarters. It’s not as simple as it looks, from anyone.


95 posted on 09/13/2011 6:18:48 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: tarotsailor

Actually what’s more notable is how this thread is full of noobs...hmmm...


96 posted on 09/13/2011 6:21:16 PM PDT by StAnDeliver (/)
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To: StAnDeliver

” Actually what’s more notable is how this thread is full of noobs...hmmm “

Get used to it..by the way, in the urban dictionary under “pathetic” it lists “freepers with no intelligent argument who look up a member’s join date to throw the NOOB CARD.”


97 posted on 09/13/2011 6:41:10 PM PDT by tarotsailor
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To: Tribune7

GARDASIL is the vaccine promoted as protection against various types of cervical cancer supposedly caused by the HPV virus, and obviously is intended for other purposes. Even with the number of deaths and injury from the vaccine the ads ran non-stop on TV while state and federal governments tried to find ever newer and more invasive ways of making mandatory vaccination a reality. They got their wish; Obamacare calls for mandatory vaccination and proof of updates to vaccinations in order to get any healthcare.

Neither, Gardasil® nor any of the individual active ingredients have been previously approved for commercial marketing or use under the Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act, the Public Health Service Act, or the Virus-Serum-Toxin Act, according to their application for patent.

Gardasil! It isn’t just for the girls!

In 2010 Merck was still waiting for the blessings of FDA to make mandatory their Gardasil vaccine for boys. As recently as November 2010, FDA was thinking of changing the terminology for male Gardasil from “Mandatory” to “Recommended”; after all, we’re dealing with the family jewels here and these are far more important than a few dead ovaries. But approval did come after the male version of Gardasil was tested on 602 young men from the ages of 9 to 26. (I can’t help but wonder how many of these young men knew they were being tested with this deadly vaccine).

Please note in this next article that Gardasil has been expanded to include far more than cervical cancer and includes the observation that “HPV is THOUGHT to be the cause”…not, is the cause or, we know it’s the cause, or we can prove conclusively, or there is substantial evidence,…they just think it could be. This is a broad and vague claim and totally without any conclusive supporting evidence.

Med Page Today:

WASHINGTON — An FDA advisory panel has expressed its support for expanding the indication on the quadrivalent human papillomavirus recombinant vaccine Gardasil to prevent anal intraepithelial neoplasia and anal cancer in males and females ages 9 through 26.

Gardasil was approved in 2006 to prevent genital warts and cervical, vulvar, and vaginal cancer in females ages 9 to 26; the vaccine’s indication was expanded in 2009 to include prevention of genital warts in males of that age range.

FDA’s Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee agreed that the three-dose vaccine should also be used to prevent anal intraepithelial neoplasia and anal cancer caused by HPV strains 6, 11, 16, and 18. HPV is thought to be the cause of 90% of anal cancers.”

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In 2008 Merck planned the expansion of Gardasil injections targeting young boys and says the most important new opportunity for the vaccine will be for its use in males. (Merck claims: The vaccine could help prevent males from contracting Human Papilloma virus and spreading it to females through sexual contact.) Merck was on track to seek approval for use in males by the end of 2008 and of course now they have approval. And how many of the deaths and other injuries to young boys and men will go under-reported while MERCK profits?

Gardasil was never tested for cancer causing agents or proof of cancer prevention. It still has not been tested or proven to prevent cervical cancer or any of the other afflictions it claims to prevent. They just “think” it might.

In the interim, Merck’s sales of Gardasil have plummeted beginning back in 2007. Merck claims the reason was that women and girls forgot to go back for the second and third shots.

“We have put in place substantial reminder programs that allow them to improve the ability to remember to go back to the second and third dose. So, we’re doing it by mail, we’re doing it by e-mail, we’re doing it by text messages, and a variety of different technologies to be able to make sure [that] they get to their second, and third doses.”

Only they didn’t come back. Many who received the first shots suffered from partial paralysis, seizures, fevers, muscle spasms and a host of other symptoms. Although every effort was made by Merck and the CDC to squash or minimalize any adverse event reporting, the stories leaked out and the news wasn’t good. The CDC as of 2010 had posted these responses to Gardasil among hundreds of adverse events:

Examples:

“Pt had unwitnessed seizure on 5/21/09. H/O probable seizure activity in the past 6 wks. After seizure, pt has had complaint of headache, dizziness, weakness, balance difficulty. 7/6/09 MR received for DOS 5/21-24/2009 with D/C DX: Seizure. Headache. Pt presented to ER after episode of unresponsiveness with limb flexion, staring, and fall. Disoriented with slurred speech, inappropriate affect, weakness, tiredness and severe H/A after. Recent episodes of involuntary fluttering of R hand. Started on Depakote.

(Depakote is a psychotropic drug used for bi-polar disorder)

Body aches, fatigue, blisters inside mouth, swollen glands, sores on lips and gums, swollen lips were also reported in many cases.”

The VAER report (Vaccine Adverse Event Report) is populated with reports of seizures, fainting, involuntary flailing of limbs, rashes, fevers, paralysis, vomiting, muscle contractions, ringing in the ears, blurred vision, and many other symptoms which appeared immediately after the first injection of Gardasil. It will be years before we know the long term and most likely devastating effects of this killer vaccine.

Gardasil contains extremely high levels of aluminum and polysorbate 80, a known cause of sterility in lab tests on mice, and also known to cause sterility in humans. High levels of other neurotoxic chemicals and the presence of thimerisol, a derivitive of mercury is said to be present although MERCK continues to deny that allegation.

Thanks to the Vaccine Liability Fund, funded in whole by US taxpayers, MERCK will never be held responsible or liable for the deaths and injuries they have caused and instead will simply add up the billions in profits while taxpayers foot the bill for the damages.

Cynthia Janek wrote an article in 2006 for the New American called “FDA and HPV….when did they know?….(follow up). Janek’s research revealed:

“ …the FDA knew back in 2003 that a HPV is not the actual cause of cervical cancer. The actual cause is a ‘persistent HPV infection that may act as a tumor promoter in cancer induction.’”

“What we have here is proof that there is scientific evidence that has been published in the past 15 years that states that HPV infection does not bear a direct relationship to the forming of cervical cancer. It also tells us that HPV, if allowed to will be taken care of by our own body’s natural processes. . .“most infections are short-lived and not associated with cervical cancer.” With this being said, why do we need Gardasil when our own body is more than capable of eradicating HPV?

What we need is a government policy to assist women with the cost of getting follow-up tests when persistent HPV infection is present. This would make more sense and our government would save so much money on these types of programs instead of $360 each for the Gardasil vaccination.” MERCK applied to the FDA for approval of the vaccine to be used on older women.”

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As MERCK can produce not one independent test trial that proves the link between HPV and cervical cancer, and has even less evidence that Gardasil in fact will prevent any form of cervical cancer, one might think the FDA would have no hesitation in denying access to the market for this lethal vaccine. Oh! We could only dream! The FDA, noted for its funding by the same companies who seek their approval, was dragging its feet, but gave its approval of the extended vaccine in 2010.

As the FDA states with regards to many pharmaceuticals, death is an acceptable side affect. Acceptable to whom? MERCK? Now that the male version of the vaccine is on the market, I believe all males at MERCK and followed by everyone at the FDA should receive the initial doses. We should vaccinate all their children too…….we don’t need successive generations of genocidal monsters.

http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/janak/071220


98 posted on 09/13/2011 6:43:48 PM PDT by tarotsailor
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To: Tribune7
No, she wasn't simply making the funds available. She was making the vaccine available.

Palin had nothing to do with this. It was set forth under the Family Vaccination Plan federal program started in the nineties. The CDC decides which vaccines to include under that plan and they are provided to the states for distibution under a federally-mandated aspect of Medicaid.

99 posted on 09/13/2011 7:39:26 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: tarotsailor

The same spam on every thread.

Did you join last month for this spam? You think we’re fools here?

Sorry, you’re busted.


100 posted on 09/13/2011 8:43:45 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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