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Republican presidential candidate and Texas Gov. Rick Perry speaks during a rally held by the Orange County Republican party at Roger's Gardens on September 8, 2011 in Newport Beach, California.

1 posted on 09/11/2011 3:00:13 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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Perry and the Profs He picked the right fight.

Will Rick Perry Unravel the Strange Consensus on Public Education?

In Texas Schools, Perry Shuns Federal Influence

2 posted on 09/11/2011 3:01:40 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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Perry’s not my candidate, but I give him credit for looking at this.


4 posted on 09/11/2011 3:22:45 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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When I went to University (1976-1980), tuition was $2,500 per year. Starting salaries for BAs were about $13,000-$15,000. For those with an engineering degree, the salaries were about $15,000-$18,000. (130%-180% of four years of study)

Today, tuition is about $30,000-$40,000 per year. Starting salaries aren't that much higher than a single year's tuition

Either education is over-priced today, or companies are not paying enough... :0)

6 posted on 09/11/2011 3:32:11 AM PDT by Cowboy Bob (Greed + Envy = Liberalism)
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In a day of Internet Info, there is no reason a BA should cost even this much!


10 posted on 09/11/2011 4:01:22 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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If he wants to encourage it, fine, but if the end result is another government program, subsidy, entitlement, or control, he can take the idea and shove it. Look forward to hearing more.


11 posted on 09/11/2011 4:05:02 AM PDT by wolfman23601
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Community college here cost us +/- $1,000 a semester for tuition, fees, and books. Multiply that by four years, and you’ve got $8,000. There’s no reason a 4-year degree in most subjects couldn’t be done with the same economy.

Admittedly, the community college is county and state supported, as well as tuition-supported, but after all these years of paying school taxes, we got some of it back by finally using a government school!


12 posted on 09/11/2011 4:07:06 AM PDT by Tax-chick (I welcome our new reptilian overlords. They are so quiet!)
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As Mark Twain said on Education:
Don't let schooling interfere with your education.

Cauliflower is nothing but cabbage with a college education.

Somethings hold true forever.

[If everyone went to college where would we get Plumbers, Carpenters, and Electricians?]

26 posted on 09/11/2011 4:44:31 AM PDT by Condor51 (Yo Hoffa, so you want to 'take out consevatives'. Well okay Jr - I'm your Huckleberry)
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The only way to reduce the cost of college is to privatize the public colleges and make the administrators accountable for their actions. Not likely to happen. As long as the public colleges are run by the same kind of amoral scalawags that run the K-12 systems, their first and only priority will be accumulating power and money, and the hell with the kids.


27 posted on 09/11/2011 4:45:29 AM PDT by Bernard (When the only Problem is overspending, all the Solutions look like TAX INCREASES to liberals...)
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So everyone gets a college degree and the worth of said degree becomes equivalent to a K12;

wow, do any of you Perry bots know anything about economics and the law of supply and demand. Well at least they may be able to make changes at the hamburger joint. This one is out the with wanting more defense spending.

28 posted on 09/11/2011 4:49:51 AM PDT by org.whodat (What does the Republican party stand for////??? absolutely nothing.)
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Wow there's another group Perry will lose, the liberal university professional professor union member. Oh wait they were never going to support Perry to begin with anyway!

I continue to be mad at the on going demand for more money to support the old bricks and mortar 'business' model. It's always more government funding.

36 posted on 09/11/2011 5:03:37 AM PDT by Lockbox (`)
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The federal government accredits the agencies which accredit the universities.

What if the standards for accreditation were changed so that primary weight was given to the percentage of graduates who were gainfully employed in the field of their major within one year of graduation? What if student loans once again became dischargable in bankruptcy, with the university being liable for the unpaid balance?

How would education in America change if the federal government published statistics for each university showing the median gross income of graduates one year and five years after graduation, broken down by major?

What if more American students got their degrees overseas, and their overseas degrees were accredited?

38 posted on 09/11/2011 5:03:59 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (When you've only heard lies your entire life, the truth sounds insane.)
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With the Teacher's Unions what they are today, the cost-per-student ANNUALLY for a High School Diploma is approaching $10,000. I doubt that State-Funded Colleges/Universities can get to that level as their "faculty" has un-limited raises/benefits/retirements on the Public Payroll (as in ALL government jobs today).

So long as the "Gubmint" is doling out taxdollars-for-votes, you will see overpaid/under-producing public employees.

42 posted on 09/11/2011 5:04:44 AM PDT by traditional1 ("Don't gotsta worry 'bout no mo'gage, don't gotsta worry 'bout no gas; Obama gonna take care o' me!)
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BS degree for $10K? Yeah, right. The only way to do this is to make everything online and outsource the professorships to China or India. So pay American professors to record the lectures, but have the professors (who actually interact with students online) be from India, China, or the Phillipines.


49 posted on 09/11/2011 5:16:38 AM PDT by rbg81
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And from the Washington Post!

It should be noted that the slap at the community colleges came from some professor complaining about Perry's plan and not from Perry.

52 posted on 09/11/2011 5:18:03 AM PDT by Tribune7 (If you demand perfection you will wind up with leftist Democrats)
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I live in an area of the country (Western massachusetts) that has been less affected by the economy than many other areas primarily because of the universities. They are funded by the government and they support the surrounding communities to a greater degree.

For this reason alone, administrators and politicians and even regular folks will attempt to maintain the status quo.

People are motivated by fear.

61 posted on 09/11/2011 5:46:45 AM PDT by BillGunn (Bill Gunn for Congress district one rep. Massachusetts)
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It always makes me scratch my head when people make the assumption that a degree creates a “skilled worker”. Experience and initiative make a “skilled worker”. My Grandfather and plenty of others I knew never made it past 5th grade, but there was much they couldn’t do: plumbing, electrical, roofing, etc. Also, what about the farmers who had to know how to keep their equipment running, but never attended a trade school.

What the U.S. really needs is an emphasis on developing an Apprentice / Journeyman model to boost our manufacturing capabilities. Too many educated idiots running around already.


63 posted on 09/11/2011 6:02:43 AM PDT by voicereason (The U.S.A. doesn't need sex......Obama is already screwing the country daily.)
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Good idea, but not one that is very well thought out.

We don’t have a shortage of BS degrees, we have a massive surplus. So much that a degree is not worth very much now. Having a $10K BS degree would only inflate the supply more, making the actual worth of such a degree even less.

Already we have people flipping burgers who have college degrees. Making the cost cheaper would just mean that we have more people who will never use that degree.

Most people shouldn’t go to college. It is a reflection of just how messed up we are that the view is you HAVE to get a degree.


67 posted on 09/11/2011 6:27:31 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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This is a smart move by Gov Perry to say that a college degree should only cost $10,000 for books and tuition.

The parents will vote for him and the kids will vote for him.

And by reducing tuition it will take money away from dingbat leftist professors.

Remember it is ObamaCare that burdened parents until their kids reached age 26.


68 posted on 09/11/2011 6:31:01 AM PDT by Presbyterian Reporter
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Oh good more social programs for another socialist. Things cost what they do due to inflation. Let's hear the plan to cure inflation the root cause of rising prices. You are still a fool tickled by flowery words.
71 posted on 09/11/2011 6:35:03 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Obama is a Communist, a Muslim, and an illegal alien)
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Who is the tech guru who recently said technical degrees are a wages of time? That you should just start working?


75 posted on 09/11/2011 6:47:54 AM PDT by samtheman (Palin. In your heart you know she's right.)
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