[prisoner6]

In the recently released "new" video there still remains something I don't quite understand. Here's a grab from the video.

First of all I and many others recall seeing the video before. If it wasn't the video it was a still from it.

Secondly something seems wrong with the smoke trail. I can't put my finger on it but it seems quite a bit different from another crash I had seen live - flight 427 in Hopewell Township, near Pittsburgh.

Flight 427 crashed literally in the backyard of a very good friend. While I lived a good distance away I was able to see the smoke after climbing on my roof.

It didn't look anything like the flight 93 smoke. It was thinner and no "mushroom" from the impact.

Maybe it's the distances involved that create the discrepancy or maybe the weather conditions, I don't know.

I'm NOT claiming 93 was forced down. Instead I'm wondering if the air frame was stressed and the plane started breaking apart. Or maybe there was a bomb of some sort.

And one other thing that REALLY has me wondering about the entire incident. I work in news at a radio station and had just returned home from the overnight shift. The phone rang and because I live very close to the station - 3 actually - I was put on standby.

The next phone call came from a retired WWII air force Col friend who told me to turn on the TV, the US was under attack - from muslims. At that time I don't believe the media had said it was muslims. He never told me how he knew. He also warned me - and I later heard in the initial, ongoing coverage that a plane was spotted circling Pittsburgh and there were concerns it might be targeting the USX tower.

Hearing a plane I ran out onto my deck and saw a plane flying erratically, wings dipping and in a slip situation. PIA was not very far from our house and I used to sit on the deck and watch planes in the pattern. This plane was going in the exact OPPOSITE direction of the pattern at about 2 thousand feet and heading toward Pittsburgh, about 5 miles away.

After it passed it made a very sudden, "jerky" turn away from downtown and toward the southeast. Again not something I had EVER seen a plane in the pattern do. That direction is toward Somerset and the 93 crash site as well as DC.

Other people have mentioned seeing something similar in the same place and hearing the reports of a plane circling Pittsburgh BUT in the official flight recording at the time Flight 93 was over Pittsburgh it was supposed to have been at 35 thousand feet.

The only thing I can think of is that because all planes were under orders to immediately land, and because PIA was most likely very busy, a passenger jet was making for Allegheny County airport which is also in the same SE direction. I think it would be a stretch to land a plane that size at the county but not impossible.

In any case the reports of a plane circling Pittsburgh disappeared and except for this post I have pretty much dismissed it.

[prisoner6]

It didn't look anything like the flight 93 smoke. It was thinner and no "mushroom" from the impact.

Poor description. I should have added that the flight 427 smoke was rising at only a slight angle from my perspective.

It would be helpful to know what direction the camera is pointing in the Flight 93 video and what direction the plane was flying.

It seems to me the smoke is being moved by the winds at a fairly rapid rate but as I recall there was very little if any wind that day.

[SampleMan]

Wind, pressure, and temperature determine smoke dispersal. It is rarely the same.

[ltc8k6]

427 would have had a lot less fuel on board, whereas 93 was full for a long flight. Even if both had been full, the 757 can carry more than twice as much fuel as the 737. That could make a difference in the plume. 427 was near the end of it’s leg, so it probably had far less fuel on board than 93.

[SargeK]

I was at the scene. I have seen aerial photos taken above the site.

The crater was narrowly diamond-shaped. You could clearly see the outline of the wings and the fuselage. The aircraft went in almost vertical. This was confirmed for me when climbed to the top of a giant abandoned drag line crane and could look down at the crater and see the general outline of it, even though the FBI had been digging in it with heavy equipment.

I have also seen a still photo taken seconds after the impact. Big, black mushroom cloud. My boss was the second guy at the site and kept it framed in his office.

The plane may have been coming apart from aerodynamic stresses. The speed and angle of impact, it would seem to me, would be like popping a paper bag, enhanced by the instant atomization and detonation of the fuel onboard.

We found the cockpit down about 60 feet. (This was a reclaimed strip mine with the loose overburden pushed back into the cut and graded over.) Debris was found miles away - east, not along the flight path.

I think that the UASF was attempting to intercept the plane. I believe they were prepared to bring it down if it continued toward Washington. The plane at the point of impact was maybe 20 minutes from DC. However, I don’t believe they did quite catch up with it before the efforts of the passengers to retake the cockpit forced the hijackers to crash the plane. The ‘black box’ recordings of the noises in the cockpit support this.

Guys I worked with saw at least one F-16 pursuing at at full afterburner about 60 miles back, right about the time the plane went in.

I think the first plane over the scene though was a corporate jet that was in the area and circled over to confirm the crash site for the ATC.