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To: bushpilot1

“Several Supreme Court Justices quoted Vattel, citing chapter 19, page 101... ‘natural born citizens are born to citizen parents’.”

Sure. There were doubts as to who was a citizen from birth until the 1898 WKA decision. Vattel’s rule lost.


152 posted on 09/08/2011 10:23:34 AM PDT by BladeBryan
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To: BladeBryan

Justice Daniel directly quoted and referenced Vattel, citing chapter 19 and page 101....

” Thus Vattel, in the preliminary chapter to his Treatise on the Law of Nations, says: “.......”

“By this same writer it is also said: “The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority; they equally participate in its advantages.

“The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.”

As society cannot perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their parents, and succeed to all their rights.”

Again: “I say, to be of the country, it is necessary to be born of a person who is a citizen; for if he be born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.

“The inhabitants, as distinguished from citizens, are foreigners who are permitted to settle and stay in the country.” (Vattel, Book 1, cap. 19, p. 101.)”

add Chief Justice Fuller and Chief Justice Waite.

You definition of natural born is not correct.


159 posted on 09/08/2011 11:09:59 AM PDT by bushpilot1
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To: BladeBryan

WKA was never affirmed a natural born citizen. He was affirmed a citizen because his parents were permanent residents at his birth.

Rubio may be a citizen if his parents were permanent residents at his birth.

According to Vattel..Rubio is not a citizen. Rubio is really a citizen of Cuba. The country of his father.

Remember the Framers who established the Federal Courts expected them to enforce the Law of Nations.

Rubio is not a natural born Citizen.


160 posted on 09/08/2011 11:24:58 AM PDT by bushpilot1
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To: BladeBryan
Sure. There were doubts as to who was a citizen from birth until the 1898 WKA decision. Vattel’s rule lost.

I fear you give them too much latitude. Earlier, the INGLIS V. TRUSTEES OF SAILOR'S SNUG HARBOR, decision in 1830 made the Supreme Court's opinion clear:

he was born an American citizen, whether his parents were at the time of his birth British subjects or American citizens. Nothing is better settled at the common law than the doctrine that the children even of aliens born in a country while the parents are resident there under the protection of the government and owing a temporary allegiance thereto are subjects by birth.

193 posted on 09/08/2011 5:06:31 PM PDT by sometime lurker
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