Rick Perry will self-destruct on Immigration if he keeps this up

Myself(Vanity)

[lonestar]

Or, we could stop giving illegals the entitlement benefits that some Americans don’t get...take the cheeze from under the rat’s nose...IF the Feds would allow it!

[xzins]

That would work on some but others will take half minimum wage and consider it a good deal to get away from where they were at. Got to crack down on employers.

But the real danger to the US should require a decent National Guard anyway patrolling the border as the coast Guard patrols the coast.
Nat’l Guard should be for homeland defence and Reserve should be active duty backup units.

[central_va]

Like I said pretty desolate.

[xzins]

Desolate = easy to hide, hard to monitor, and easy to cross

[central_va]

Desolate = easy to hide, hard to monitor, and easy to cross

All the more reason to build a well manned wall. If Israel can man a 400 mile wall with a population of 8 million, then by extrapolation a country of 300 million can conceivably man a wall of a length of 15,000 miles. Tired of the BS.

[Kickass Conservative]

Good point. I was just being facetious.

We could just open a new Military Base along the border. It would be two thousand miles long and fifty feet wide. LOL

[xzins]

Israel is exactly the example we need to look at. If anyone thinks their wall is unmanned they’re uninformed. If they think low-tech fence they’re nuts.
In our case the Mexicans aren’t lobbing rockets into cities and infiltrating with suicide bombers or ied planters, but it proves that a fence alone is a dumb idea.
And to monitor 1200 miles of border will take a division at a minimum, and that will cost a billion anyway.
If the force uses high tech FLIR, Motion and sound detection, then a no man’s land will be as effective as a fence
And as Marlowe said, until laws are enforced, the fence is moot. They will just come to visit on a visitors visa, come freely thru the checkpoint, and simply not return south of the border.

[xzins]

Glad to hear it was facetious. Sorry. Sometimes I’m slow on the uptake.
1200 mile Ft Apache....until the word police complain about native american abuse. :-)

[Kickass Conservative]

It’s OK. I’m already getting kicked around today for an analogy I posted on another thread.

I’ve got a million things to get done around the house today and I keep hanging around here. LOL

Whatever the future brings, I have no idea what the remedy for our porous Border will be. How times have changed since I was a kid 50 years ago.

[xzins]

What analogy...what thread?

[wmfights]

So, a no mans land without fence but with high tech monitoring would work as well as a fence.

I tend to like a fence as part of the deal as well. However, until we come up with a way for a temporary labor force to come and go we will continue to have a problem. The problem we have now is temporary, or seasonal, workers bring families and stay. Once they get a foothold they provide the access point for friends and relatives back home.

Until the employment issue is dealt with the magnet drawing these workers will be strong enough for them to overcome just about any barrier.

[P-Marlowe]

The more I think about it, a fence is not a good idea. The fence will get built and the politicians will say they fixed the problem and everything will continue as it has for the last 30 years. Until Congress and the President are committed to enforcing the immigration laws, a fence is just a waste of chain link and cement.

[Faith-Hope]

The fences really don't work all that well. They cut them or use ladders or shoulders of friend to come over the fences. A lot of them just walk across the check points and say they are going to the grocery store. They catch their ride and they are on their way. If you really want it stopped you fine the ones working them. It's very easy to do and really not all that expensive. There is or was a law on the books that says all employers must check everyones papers before hiring. That law has been on the books for about 15 years and we were never checked. At first they were really going after the employers and then it was over with and we never heard of anyone being fined after the first year of the law.

[wmfights]

The fence will get built and the politicians will say they fixed the problem and everything will continue as it has for the last 30 years.

This is something I hadn't thought about. I'll have to consider it.

The other part of the problem that isn't being addressed is the magnet that the work here creates. There are some jobs that migrants are doing that Americans just don't want to do. It seems to me if we could create a system for temporary workers that would carry punishments for employers as well as the workers that are so severe it would create an incentive for employers to work within the system.

If the lure of jobs is controlled and benefits are denied to those outside the system the magnet ends.

Now the problem of the children brought here as babies has to be dealt with. A large group of children raised here with no ties to any other country live here illegally. They can not get SS#'s and are in a permanent underclass. This problem will just get worse.

[lonestar]

There are some jobs that migrants are doing that Americans just don't want to do.

If you buy produce in a grocery store, probably most of it was picked by an illegal alien.