And it's not Conservative thinking either. Simply compulsive thinking unrestrained by principal.
Many “conservatives” have also supported amnesty for illegals as well.
Then they are not Conservatives. Just because they are on this board means nothing.
I guess the best way to tackle this issue is, what is modern conservatism?
At the core of this conversation is God. Does a person believe in a personal God or an impersonal God..? That is, do they have an individually based ontology or do they have a socially derived ontology..? Social ontology is the root of all liberal/progressive/totalitarian thinking. I know it's a big topic and I don't know if I could parse it adequately as there are many ways to be misunderstood but it is clear that our Founding Father's conception of Liberty was based on the individual making their own peace with their own God. After all, that's why we came over here in the first place.
If a person looks at society through this lens, it is clear, most of our laws and concepts of government in our lives is terribly off track to what our founders conceived and put in place for us to prosper by. I do not believe a person needs to defer to libertarianism. Our Founding Father's had it right to start with.
I agree, they are not Conservatives. Just as those who believe in isolationism and are against free trade are not Libertarians.
I notice that you did not address the free trade issue. The founders of this country were not isolationists. I believe that is because many Conservatives do not believe in free trade. And for me that is a huge issue. That is why I do not defer to Conservatism, or at least some of what passes as Conservative thought.
In the end, I think we both are talking about the same thing; Freedom. Since we can agree on that, the rest of these issues are secondary and do not matter as much. If the worst disagreement that we can have is the difference between a small and a tiny government, all will be well!