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To: JimWayne
90% of your post is a personal attack. Personal attacks are a poor substitute for a reasoned argument.

I oppose ethanol subsidies.

Rick Perry opposes ethanol subsidies "The federal government doesn’t need to pick winners and losers. Rather, the federal government needs to get rid of all of these onerous regulations that are costing you substantial amounts of money. They need to level the playing field for everyone."

Sarah Palin, whom I have supported, also opposes ethanol subsidies. Bachmann "sort of" opposes them, and I've given her some support.

You are correct that in 2008, I backed Fred Thompson, who happened to support Ethanol Subsidies. However, nobody here considered him a RINO -- he was the FR candidate.

So I'm not sure which candidate you believe I supported because they backed ethanol subsidies.

I also oppose Amtrack, and I'm pretty sure I've never said a kind word about community block grants. So it appears you have confused your freepers.

Government is the solution to our economic problems. Or, to put it more precisely, government ACTION is the key to our economic problems. Government stands in the way of our economic potential. The laws that exist, the regulations that exist, the actions of our executive all conspire to destroy our economy. This was just as true in 2009 when Obama took over and the democrats had already been at destroying our economy for two years.

So yes, government action WAS needed. We needed government to lower taxes, to ease up on regulations, to get out of the business of picking winners and losers, and even to provide temporary tax holidays and other relief to help small businesses meet payroll, invest in the future, and get people working again.

There were plent of good conservative ideas circulating in 2009. That Pelosi ignored them is not Perry's fault, or the fault of the Republican Governor's Association (which likely had a vote on the subject, which is why Perry wrote as the head of that organization carrying out THEIR wishes, rather than as the Governor of Texas).

Then-Governor Palin even had kind words for parts of the stimulus AFTER IT PASSED (not vague hope for a solution beforehand, like Perry), even while she castigated the social welfare aspects:

Sarah Palin: "On the whole these things that are good for the state we will appreciate those dollars coming as an addition to our economy, certainly the construction projects we are still looking forward to those because those are what actually create the jobs."

Sarah Palin: ""I beg to differ with the premise of this economic stimulus package that it, as a whole, stimulates the economy when you look at the programs that are entailed in this economic stimulus package, the programs that could end up costing a state so much more at the end of the day, those don’t necessarily stimulate the economy."

So as you can see, Palin at that point thought that parts of the stimulus WOULD create jobs, while others were a waste of time. Conservatives did not reject the entire idea out-of-hand.

You are free to believe that nothing the government ever does could possibly help an economy. But don't pretend that your view is the only conservative view. Calling everybody who disagrees with your particular position a RINO is not an argument, it's an admission that you can't defend your position on the merits.

220 posted on 09/04/2011 11:15:30 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT
Personal attacks are a poor substitute for a reasoned argument. I oppose ethanol subsidies.

Rick Perry opposes ethanol subsidies

You know very well I am not talking of Rick Perry when I mention ethanol subsidies. My posts on you-know-who were facts with evidence of his statements. You were the one who indulged in personal attacks against me for exposing the RINO who supported ethanol subsidies.

223 posted on 09/04/2011 5:54:25 PM PDT by JimWayne
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To: CharlesWayneCT
So yes, government action WAS needed.

You now defend Joe Manchin the Democrat and claim that he was really asking for tax cuts when he wanted government action. Yes, Joe Manchin was a co-signer of the letter and your spirited defense is a defense of Manchin as well.

Just cut out this tripe instead of bleating like sheep and defending your masters. People on FR are not fools.

Just go back to Rick Santorum or George Allen or whichever fraud you work for and let them know that the people can no longer be fooled.

224 posted on 09/04/2011 5:59:14 PM PDT by JimWayne
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