Perry tells NH no to border fence

Yahoo ^ | 9/3/11 | Steve Peoples - ap

[Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears]

And Mexicans are dedicated to taking over America by having multiple children. Bank on it, it’s a fact.

And slimeballs like Rick Perry are more interested in their own political careers and pandering to these groups than preserving America.

[lonestar]

If you had ever been down the TX-Mex border, you would know how stupid your comment is!

[Iscool]

What the anti-Perry people don’t tell you is the rest of the story, that Perry wants “boots on the ground”, National Guard troops on the border, because that is more effective than a fence.

Seems to me that would be the 2nd part of his sentence when condemning the border fence, if there was any truth to it...

[South40]

Only a lying RINO like Hispandering Perry would say a fence would not work. Ask Israel.

Ask San Diego.

[bgill]

Personally, I think you're full of crap and spreading more crap than you accuse Perry of doing.

I didn't get snarky with you but go ahead if that's how you get your jollies. I am searching for some report on it but as I said earlier the msm dropped all references after the apology. All I was able to find in the last few minutes was a link from our school admin to the Texas Dept. of Health STD site stating they oversee community programs. Did you get a letter saying your kid could pick up condoms or Family Planning info from the nurse's office? No? Well, there you are, I am full of crap.

[org.whodat]

You have just made the most ignorant statements I have ever heard out of an American . We have thousands of planes and boats leaving this country everyday and no one gives one little damn if you are on one. And it you think a border fence keeping illegals out would keep you in then maybe you should take one of those planes or boats. I promise no one will stop you.

[muawiyah]

The Viceroy surrendered Mexico to the Independents movement ~ that included Tejas at the time ~ wherever that was.

The French never owned Tejas. They owned Spain itself a couple of times ~ that's how Europeans do stuff but King Philippe II/III's donation of chunks of North America to France was not a lasting thing ~ France lost those holdings in Canada in the 1750s.

They technically held Spain for a good long while under Napoleon, but they didn't make any effort to pursue their claim to Tejas or Mexico during that time.

Napoleon, BTW, was fairly pro-American all his life. The early Mexican revolutionaries weren't particularly democratically minded so they wanted to have their own King. That didn't work out.

[ROCKLOBSTER]

Then when they are done walk them through the gate and then lock it behind them.

"OK guys, what we need now is to get the other side of this fence painted."

[Oceander]

Really? Take a look at this:



That's the barrier Israel built between Egypt and the Gaza Strip to prevent people from smuggling arms and materiel into the Gaza Strip. That border is only 7 miles long. That wall is pretty da&ned impressive.

There are innumerable smugglers' tunnels under that wall that the Israelis have never been able to stop.

Take a look at this:



That's the US-Mexico border. It's 1,969 miles long. First let's discuss cost: In 2010 Israel decided to build another barrier along its entire border with Egypt. As per this BBC article, that barrier is expected to cost $270 million for the entire 70-mile border. That works out to about $3.85 million per mile.

Since the US-Mexico border is 1,969 miles long, that means that a first-order, reasonable estimate is that the sort of wall you're wailing for would cost at least $7.6 billion to build. Consider how well the federal government is at overspending on even trivial matters - anyone remember the $100 plus hammers in the 1980s? - that cost estimate is most likely woefully too little. It would more likely than not cost at least $15 billion to $20 billion to build the wall of your wet dreams.

Second, let's discuss how well such a wall would work in the first place. To do that, we need look no further than the very same Egypt-Gaza barrier the Israelis built. Smugglers have successfully dug innumerable tunnels under that thing and Israel has never been able to close off all of them - and that's just on a piddling little 7-mile border. Do you really think the US is going to be able to do any better than the Isaelis at preventing smugglers from tunneling under a 1,969 mile long barrier?

Talk about a Bridge to Nowhere, which would only have cost a piddling $398 million!

Can we really afford such a boondoggle - a useless waste of taxpayer money that would never succeed at stopping smugglers and illegal immigrants? - and the final cost of which would run at least $15 billion to $20 billion?

And that doesn't even start to address how long it would take to build. By the time the last mile was built, the first mile would have collapsed into dust.

Perry is only being polite when he says that such a wall would be "ineffective."

[Clara Lou]

They’re already digging under where there is fence. What good is a fence?

[PhiloBedo]

A fence makes the crossers easier to spot. You can put sensors along the top so that the border can be monitored more efficiently.

Land mines and troops are a good idea, too. Put the mines randomly on our side to deter those thinking about jumping the fence, and troops to pick off the rest.

[dusttoyou]

Those PDS idiots are just opening mouths and disengaging brain. They will vote for whomever is nominated, count on it.

What people dpn’t realize what Perry is talking about is any “fence” in Texas would be located well inside the US border because the border is the middle of the Rio Grande, unlike New Mexico, Arizona or kalifornia where a fence could be right on the actual border.

Nost of the land along the Rio Grande is private property who currently have acess to all their land along the river. Do you want to be one of the land owners who would lose their property? Build a big fence and “we” are fenced out of the river.

Having a more sensible immigration policy and enforce against employers who hire illegals. Once the good jobs are not available, they will cease to come.

[lonestar]

Now, a question for you ~ why would you leave Yugoslavia to go to GDR?

Now I have a question for you--are you calling me a liar?

I was in Yugoslavia and Checkoslavakia (sp?) and went through East Germany on a train that stopped in East Berlin.

There I got on a bus and got to West Berlin by crossing at Checkpoint Charlie.

Your ideal of a wall along the TEX-Mex border is stupid!!!

BTW, I loved West Berlin!!!

Once I was out of E. Berlin, I wasn't about to go back.

[Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears]

>>If we had the will securing the border would not be very difficult and everyone in the world knows it.<<

A statesman looks to the future of the country, a politician looks to the next election.

Perry is a nothing but a politician.

[org.whodat]

Nothing wrong with mines, you tunnel into one there will be no need to dig a grave.

[okie01]

You can get a good idea of what a lot of Texas/Mexico border is like by calling up Del Rio, Texas on Google.com and then look at the border area from above.

Mu, I live in Texas and have traveled along the border. I'm very familiar with the terrain.

As important as fences might be to cattlemen, they don't put fences between their cattle and the only water for fifty miles.

[Oceander]

Ahh, then again, that cuts both ways asswipe. If there's no-one living there than either (a) you're going to have to build enough towers, and man them with lookouts, to cover the entire 1,969 mile length of the border, or (b) have the smugglers simply spot where your watchers are, figure out what the limits on their visibility is, and then tunnel outside that range.

Besides which, the US does not control Mexican territory and cannot enter Mexican territory willy-nilly to stop smugglers who've started digging a tunnel - a fact that you are apparently unaware of - and therefore even if we grant your psychotic belief that smugglers won't be able to hide where their tunnelling activities start, there is no way that the end point of those activities could be prophesied, short of spending trillions on putting soldiers or police shoulder-to-shoulder along the entire 1,969 mile border and at least a half mile deep back from the border.

You are an insane, raving lunatic if you think smugglers won't be able to make a mockery of whatever wall gets built.

[Jabba the Nutt]

Today, we learn that Rick Perry won't defend the border and Sarah Palin blasts the political class in Washington.

Hmmm, who would I vote for? I wouldn't have to think long.

[Eagle Eye]

You said that Texas school nurses were sending out letters when that is not the case.

So you, you are full of crap on that.

I came to Texas in 2007 and so this issue was one that put me off greatly back then but not an issue to me at all now.

HPV prevention is a good thing as are other innoculations but I’m not sold on the idea of government mandates on it.

[bgill]

You want to help pay for it? That is the job of the feds

Hello, may I help you? Nope, sorry, that's above my pay grade. It's Jose's job but he always seems to need a cup of coffee whenever that's brought up in the office meetings. Step aside. Next.

You're not willing to step up to the plate and say enough is enough. The buck stops here. Arizona is stepping up to the plate. Why doesn't Texas? Don't you think we're already paying that much and more on the current government freebies?