ATF Gunwalker: Who at the White House knew?

cbsnews.com ^ | 2 September, 2011 | Sharyl Attkisson

[Jonty30]

I was talking about his inner cabinet. Hilary, Biden, and Holden and whomever else.

Even though he might not speak to them much, they probably still keep him informed of things like FAF, at the very least to provide cover.

[cashless]

IMHO, AG Holder, with his imperial majesty, concocted and hatched a plan to traffic guns to the Mexican drug cartels and then were going to seize those guns and trace them back (not a big deal since you were the source to begin with) to shady (immunity covered) gun dealers in an effort to convince the public that despite the explicit guarantee of the 2nd amendment, the time had come to stop the manufacturing, sale and transfer of guns in these violence proned, United States. But damn it, those stupid cartels, instead of killing innocent Americans (acceptable collateral damage), they used the guns to kill their rivals. In other words, their well laid plans figuratively, blew up in their face. Now that they have been caught, a cover up that makes Watergate seem like the 3rd rate burglary that it was, is being full court pressed. Yet to be determined is whether a John Dean can be found to spill the beans and tie it directly to the oval office. No doubt the leftists in this administration have stronger loyalty to their messiah than they do to the Truth or the Law. The only thing sadder than the original sin and cover up will be the fact that they will never be held accountable for every death their damnable plan permitted.

[svcw]

The president knew.

[.45 Long Colt]

I think that’s basically what happened, but I also believe this was more than a scheme to undermine the 2nd Amendment. I think that because they apparently provided miltary grade weaponry to the drug cartels, too.

[varon]

This President doesn't hear from his cabinet members because he won't listen to them he's either playing golf, on vacation or giving speeches.

[reefdiver]

If a picture was found of Obama signing the order to proceed with the operation nothing would happen.

It’s the half black race card.

They posted His birth certificate on the Whith House web site full of sloppy Adobie Illustrator cover ups that every one saw.

Nothing happened. Nothing is going to happen.

[publiusF27]

Sharyl Attkisson of CBS news has done by far the best mainstream media coverage of this story since early this year, well before Eric Holder even knew about the gunwalking (if you believe Eric Holder).

(Hoping no sarcasm tag is needed)

[wiggen]

The way he knew what was said in that church he attended for 20 years?

[ken5050]

FYI..Politico has a story today about the WH emails and 3 who may ahved known something ( I won’t link to that POS)..but it does sound like the story is gaining legs..traction..all the MSM see themselves as Woodward/Bernstein..and as Obama weakens in the polls, and it looks more likely that he can’t win..then he becomes fair game..and they start to pile on..

[G Larry]

“...we’re going to pursue gun control under the radar...”

This Obama statement tells all you need to know about how high the gunwalker scandal.

[Don Corleone]

Who at the White House knew?

NIXON!

[MestaMachine]

[FlyVet]

I don't know, but if Obama and Holder knew, I don't know why he wouldn't. It seemed odd to me that he went to the Wailing Wall a few months before he stepped down as chief of staff. It was done for his son's bar mitzvah, but he doesn't exactly strike me as a religious person. And he was one of the architects of Obama's not-so-good policy toward Israel.

It made me wonder if there were some things bubbling under the surface that had turned him into a praying man, as in "Holy *bleep*, we're in big, big trouble".

[supercat]

There is a simple what-if scenario that strongly suggests the White House knew and probably authorized it

Related to that is the fact that Obama made claims which ended up being false, but would have been "true" if things had gone according to plan. What basis would Obama have had for believing it, if he didn't know according to the plan? The only way one could defend Obama would be to say that he's such a liar he made his statements without needing any basis, and--had whoever's plan worked--he would simply have gotten "lucky". Not exactly a roaring endorsement of Obama, and I'm not sure it should be sufficient to constitute "reasonable doubt", but it would be a vaguely plausible defense.

[CharlesThe Hammer]

You’re probably right, but this crew is pretty inept. As his presidency slides into the abyss, Obama becomes a liability to the left. It seems as if they just keep digging the hole deeper on Fast and Furious. They’re already making transfers and sideways promotions. Remember, nobody died because of the bad vetting on the birth certificate. Bodies are stacking up for this scandal. CBS and the LA Times are, uncharacteristically, keeping the story alive in the MSM. One thing for sure, it isn’t helping the Democrat cause. Now that the NRA has started the drumbeat for a special prosecutor, we may have a game changer. Should Holder be by passed as the investigatory gatekeeper, everything is up for grabs. A “picture” probably would be explained away, but lots of underlings turning state’s evidence to save their own hides is another matter. I intend to pop up some popcorn and enjoy the show.

[Kaslin]

Bump

[Prole]

Precisely. It was Obama’s very own damn Reichstag Fire with the goal of ending 2nd Amendment Rights for Americans everywhere. Too bad the little Kenyan Stalinist sh!tstain isn’t going to get away with this.

[FlyingEagle]

Who knew?
Holder, Napolitano, Clinton, Omullah, and twinkle toes Emmanuel. And Calderon, and the Mexican Marines. And ATF, FBI, DEA drones taking the fall for it.

This is a Barack Hussein Obama directed marxist nationalist socialist attack on the creator-endowed-right of the people to keep and bear arms in this republic.

That 2nd amendment attack on the Constitution was Obama’s idea. American government causing illegal sales of arms to mexican criminal narcotrafficantes: no low level ATF or FBI or DEA guy is going to think up something like that and do it as a rogue operation - it has to be ordered from the top to be so widespread with no repercussions now that we have a dead border patrol agent, and congressional investigation block and coverup by Obama’s goons.

[publiusF27]

Richard Serrano at the LA Times does deserve credit for covering the story at all, but his coverage contains one error that is repeated over and over, and is a really glaring mistake:

He continually says that "agents lost track of the guns" in his stories.

Things like that are the reason we have people swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. Here is the rest of the truth, as relayed in Agent Dodson's sworn testimony:

Yes, they "lost track of the guns." RIGHT AFTER THEIR BOSSES ORDERED THEM TO DO SO! That's a significant omission.

Serrano makes it sound like the problem is incompetent agents, or in some stories, not enough money to properly pursue the program. We did NOT have incompetent agents on the job here. That was not the problem. If it is true that the budget did not allow the program to continue, but they recklessly continued it for months anyway, that speaks to severe mismanagement by supervisors, but I don't think that was the problem either.

The problem was a deeply flawed and illegal POLICY, Not incompetent agents or a lack of money.

Sharyl Attkisson at CBS News has done accurate stories on this scandal since early this year, before Serrano seems to have noticed, and she always reports what actually happened. ALL of it. Those interested in the story should do as I have done, and start following her on Twitter.

[cashless]

Just a point of distinction to your post. The 2nd amendment was not included in the original, Creator bestowed, unalienable rights as listed in the Declaration of Independence . Those are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. The 2nd Amendment is part of the original Bill of Rights (the first 10 amendments) which were conferred by men to their fellow citizens after debating that these rights, not specifically covered in the Constitution, were in fact, fundamental to every citizen. I am sure in your exuberance of an otherwise excellent post, this just got overlooked in your proof reading.