Not your god. My religion (Judaism) teaches that abortion is acceptable in cases of rape. I'm entitled to it. Quoting Rabbi Simmons:
"In Jewish law, a baby attains becomes a full-fledged human being when the head emerges from the womb. Before then, the fetus is considered a partial life.
So is it permitted to destroy this partial life?
Generally, no. This is illustrated by a case in the Talmud whereby a building collapsed on Shabbat. The rescue crew does not know if anyone is trapped under the rubble or not. And even if someone is trapped, they may already be dead. Despite these doubts, we push aside the restrictions of Shabbat in order to dig out the rubble - on the chance that it may result in the prolonging of human life. Why? Because every part of human life - even a doubtful, partial human life - has infinite value.
This applies to a fetus as well.
However, there can be certain factors which may create an exception. For example, when partial life threatens a full life. The Talmud discusses a case where doctors say that if the mother continues with the pregnancy, she will die. In such a case, we kill the fetus in order to save the mother. Why? Because when the partial life of the fetus is weighed against the full life of the mother, we give precedence to saving the full life.
Our question now is where to draw the line? What constitutes a "threat to the mother?"
As a general guideline, if the fetus poses a real danger to the mother - i.e. the pregnancy will aggravate a heart condition or will cause the mother to go blind - then there is room for discussion.
What about danger to emotional health? There are certain circumstances where this, too, may be grounds for abortion. For example, if the mother became pregnant through rape, and the thought of bearing this child will cause her a nervous breakdown or severe emotional trauma."
The Talmud discusses a case where doctors say that if the mother continues with the pregnancy, she will die. In such a case, we kill the fetus in order to save the mother. Why? Because when the partial life of the fetus is weighed against the full life of the mother, we give precedence to saving the full life.
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What is the justification for such a Talmudic decree in the Tanakh? The Talmud is mideval Rabbis saying this and that, but surely life is for God to give and take according to Torah or God’s will. Where in the Tanakh is this Rabbinic abortion exception justified?
Skipping over God’s obvious displeasure with killing pregnant women in Amos 1:13, let’s proceed directly to Torah:
Show no pity: life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot.
Deuteronomy 19:21
But if there is serious injury, you are to take life for life
Exodus 21:23
God even cares about animals.
Anyone who takes the life of someone’s animal must make restitution—life for life.
Leviticus 24:18
So, I ask again, where in the Tanakh is the justification for the Talmudic principle that an unborn child is a “partial life”?
**My religion (Judaism) teaches that abortion is acceptable
**in cases of rape. I’m entitled to it.
You should be less concerned about Rabbinic Talmudism (bloodless religion invented after the destruction of the 2nd Temple), which masquerades as Torah Apocalyptic Judaism (blood sacrifices, given by God at Sinai with millions of Jews witnessing).
You should be much more concerned about what God said in the Tanakh. In the Tanakh it says, “Thus says the Lord” many times. In the Talmud it’s, “Rabbi so and so says...”. Aren’t you better off getting God’s desires for you from God?
... man does not live by bread alone, but man lives by every word that comes from the mouth of the LORD.
Deuteronomy 8:3
This has to be some sort of new low, even by troll standards.
This was a response to a deformed rabbi who promulgated the FALSE premise that abortion was allowed within Judaic Law. B EFFING S
NOT under ANY circumstances. NONE.
The horror of secularism’s intentional misstating as to the intent of Judaic Law...
You have essentially taken a case of unintended consequences which is the accidental death of an unborn child, or manslaughter, and compared it to outright murder. HaShem definitely makes a distinction between these things. You would lead your people to SIN???
Your interpretation of the Torah, which I know and understand, left me gasping in stunned silence at the gross and unethical position you have put forth. G-d NEVER condoned the intentional murder of a child in the womb. You should feel intense shame at presenting this unthinkable position to Jewish women because they will NOT be absolved if they CHOOSE death for their children, nor will women of any other religion or no religion at all.
Understanding the original scripture, not updated to suit your times, is paramount to understanding G-d’s Commandments. You have taken the context and spun it into lead so to blind those who haven’t the teaching nor the common sense you have stripped away from the righteous to make the secular feel righteous when they aren’t, and can’t ever be, according to your interpretation.
Exodus 21: Verse 22-25:
22: *And if men strive together, and HURT a woman with child, so that her fruit depart, and yet no harm follow, he shall surely be fined, according as the woman’s shall lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.
*Note: “...yet no harm follow” means that the child did NOT die. You will see in the next verses that these passages have nothing to do with the mother per se, but rather with the life of the child.
23: *But if any harm follow, then thou shalt give life for life,
24: eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,
25: burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.
*Note. These verses make no mention whatever of the mother or the life of the mother. It is clearly the unborn child that is the main concern of these verses. Hence, if the mother miscarries and the child is born prematurely but alive, no loss of life has occurred, so a fine is the recompense for carelessness, but should the child die, it is the same as murder and is treated as such.
Your updated version makes no sense as written.
SO!
How DARE YOU!!!???!!!
THIS was what the response was to:
Excerpt by Irwin Graulich from an article on *Jewish Thought on Abortion* Arutz Sheva:
“””What pro-choice and pro-life advocates fail to realize is that their positions make them either accessories to murder, or accomplices to a meaningless beauty salon activity or cosmetic surgery procedure. Now that we see the inherent foolishness of both positions, there is a need to examine the Biblical context for an astonishing revelation on this Solomonic issue.
In Exodus, chapter 21, verses 22-23, it states, “If men shall fight, and they collide with a pregnant woman, and she miscarries, but the woman lives, the punishment on the men is financial, as determined by judges. But if the woman dies, there should be capital punishment.” Watch the brilliance and wisdom of these two sentences.
These verses clearly illustrate two important concepts. First, that the fetus is not a full life. If it were, capital punishment would be called for, as mentioned in the second sentence. We are also shown that the fetus is not a worthless piece of tissue, like excess nasal cartilage, since financial remuneration is required by the offenders. In addition, there are later references to the health of the mother taking precedence to the unborn.
So how do we interpret this God-given posture and how does it totally resolve the issue? This astounding centrist Jewish position is equally distant between pro-choice and pro-life. It simply states that abortion is not murder...and is not nothing! The only way to enforce these seemingly contradictory positions is to allow an immoral act, while at the same time to discourage it strongly, which is exactly what is done in Israel in the majority of cases.”””
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Note that he had to COMPLETELY change the VERSE in order to reach his obscene conclusion.
PS. Back during the Partial-Birth abortion debates, I used to bring up the Talmud to embarrass Jewish leftists who support this vile form of feticide. The Talmudic ruling is taht if most of the baby is born, there can be no abortion, not even to save the life of the mother, as it is now a baby.