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To: GunRunner; papertyger; Oceander; GodGunsGuts; Fichori; tpanther; Gordon Greene; ...

OK. Now it’s up to you to prove the contention that if enough mutations occur, often enough, over a long enough period of time, that it can account for the variety of life we see here on earth now.

Perhaps you could start by answering the questions in post 35 with something besides the derision evidenced by Oceander. After all, the questions were not even asking for predictions which should come next, but rather are asking about the changes that have occurred in the past, of which there should be evidence in the fossil record.

In the event that that is beyond your pay grade, then maybe an easier task would be to explain the changes in the number of chromosomes from the initial single celled creatures from which all life theoretically evolved, could manage to occur without causing the demise of the organism, as the changes in the number of chromosomes tends to.

There is, after all, a large range of the numbers of chromosomes in the life represented here on earth.

I can not think of a single case of a change in the number of chromosomes in a human being which does not result in debilitating conditions which either kill the off the mutation or render the organism sterile. Most changes in chromosomes are incompatible with the life form even living. How is this supposed to work and fill an entire planet with the variety we see now of successfully adapting creatures?

Has any of the work in laboratories that has allegedly resulted in a *new* creature, even if it is the same old fruit fly, resulted in an actual change in the number of chromosomes in said fruit flies?


187 posted on 09/01/2011 12:03:27 PM PDT by metmom (Be the kind of woman that when you wake in the morning, Satan says, "Oh crap. She's UP!")
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To: metmom
A few days ago there was a thread about antibiotic resistance in bacteria found in the soil frozen since the time of woolly mammoths. Since those animals lived there must have been millions of generations of these actinobacteria yet even so they still are just bacteria.

Have the bacteria mutated or been driven by ‘evolutionary pressures’ to become anything other than what they've always been? Bacteria recognizable today?

This group has about 7 to 8 thousand genes and close to 9 million base pairs in its DNA so after millions of generations does this resistance represent an acquired characteristic due to exposure to modern antibiotics? No, no and definitely no.

No evolving, no selection.

190 posted on 09/01/2011 1:01:53 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: metmom
Has any of the work in laboratories that has allegedly resulted in a *new* creature, even if it is the same old fruit fly, resulted in an actual change in the number of chromosomes in said fruit flies?

Great question, metmom! Thanks so much for asking it!

191 posted on 09/01/2011 1:25:53 PM PDT by betty boop (We are led to believe a lie when we see with, and not through, the eye. — William Blake)
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To: metmom; GunRunner; papertyger; Oceander; GodGunsGuts; Fichori; tpanther; Gordon Greene
Thanks for the beeps mom. I looked up Evolution 101: From Soup to Cells - the Origin of Life.

It’s still there.

194 posted on 09/01/2011 2:56:56 PM PDT by YHAOS (you betcha!)
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