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To: cowboyway

Southern control of the federal government indeed made Northern authorities part of their slave catching apparatus. So the entire US was under the thumb of the slavers in many respects.

I already proved the size of the federal army. There is no more disputing that than the number of states in the Union in 1860. That army was tiny and on the frontiers in no way capable of supporting your imagined “tyranny”.

So you have stumbled over the fact that Lincoln was no threat to the Slaverocracy? Congratulations but I told you that long ago.

Your quotes prove nothing under dispute and certainly do not disprove anything I have maintained. You are welcome to further support any of my points. Thanks.

The Constitution “protected” slavery for twenty years. After 1808 Congress was empowered to abolish it had it wished to. There was no constitutional mandate that slavery be supported after that date. And the Founders were in accord with that most believing that it was an unfortunate anachronism which most be removed. They didn’t count on it getting a new life after Whitney.

I have repeatedly shown the falsity of the claim that there was some tyranny oppressing the Slaverocracy. That LIE is easily refuted and your entire justification of the RAT Rebellion collapses with that refutation. Your ignoring this does not make your arguments valid.

Nice to see that you fully demonstrate New York nastiness and all in support of the worst and most anti-American movement in the history of our nation. Keep up the good work. The applause of the stupid must be very heady.


352 posted on 10/26/2011 12:08:08 PM PDT by arrogantsob (Why do They hate her so much?)
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To: arrogantsob
The Constitution “protected” slavery for twenty years. After 1808 Congress was empowered to abolish it had it wished to.

The Constitution protected the IMPORTATION of slaves for twenty years. A very important distinction. The law ending the IMPORTATION of slaves did nothing to stop the buying and selling of slaves within the United States. The law was passed by both houses of Congress on March 2, 1807, and Jefferson, a slave owner, signed it into law on March 3, 1807. Once again, it typical yankee fashion, you've tried to twist and spin your argument using lies in an attempt to prove your point. That's the only method that you libtard yankees know, ain't it?

Article I, Section 9: "The Migration or Importation of such Persons as any of the States now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the Year one thousand eight hundred and eight, but a Tax or duty may be imposed on such Importation, not exceeding ten dollars for each Person."

Slavery was still protected by the Constitution until the adoption of the 13th Amendment on December 18, 1865; 57 years after the law that you misrepresented was put into effect in 1808.

You can continue to try to spin, twist and lie but you'll get busted every time, sport.

In addition, even though the law of 1808 banned the IMPORTATION of slaves into the US, the yankees continued to ply their trade and reap the tremendous profits sailing the triangle:

"The effects of the New England slave trade were momentous. It was one of the foundations of New England's economic structure; it created a wealthy class of slave-trading merchants, while the profits derived from this commerce stimulated cultural development and philanthropy." --Lorenzo Johnston Greene, “The Negro in Colonial New England, 1620-1776,” p.319.

Even after slavery was outlawed in the North, ships out of New England continued to carry thousands of Africans to the American South. Some 156,000 slaves were brought to the United States in the period 1801-08, almost all of them on ships that sailed from New England ports that had recently outlawed slavery. Rhode Island slavers alone imported an average of 6,400 Africans annually into the U.S. in the years 1805 and 1806. The financial base of New England's antebellum manufacturing boom was money it had made in shipping. And that shipping money was largely acquired directly or indirectly from slavery, whether by importing Africans to the Americas, transporting slave-grown cotton to England, or hauling Pennsylvania wheat and Rhode Island rum to the slave-labor colonies of the Caribbean.

Northerners profited from slavery in many ways, right up to the eve of the Civil War. The decline of slavery in the upper South is well documented, as is the sale of slaves from Virginia and Maryland to the cotton plantations of the Deep South. But someone had to get them there, and the U.S. coastal trade was firmly in Northern hands. William Lloyd Garrison made his first mark as an anti-slavery man by printing attacks on New England merchants who shipped slaves from Baltimore to New Orleans.

Long after the U.S. slave trade officially ended, the more extensive movement of Africans to Brazil and Cuba continued. The U.S. Navy never was assiduous in hunting down slave traders. The much larger British Navy was more aggressive, and it attempted a blockade of the slave coast of Africa, but the U.S. was one of the few nations that did not permit British patrols to search its vessels, so slave traders continuing to bring human cargo to Brazil and Cuba generally did so under the U.S. flag. They also did so in ships built for the purpose by Northern shipyards, in ventures financed by Northern manufacturers.

In a notorious case, the famous schooner-yacht Wanderer, pride of the New York Yacht Club, put in to Port Jefferson Harbor in April 1858 to be fitted out for the slave trade. Everyone looked the other way -- which suggests this kind of thing was not unusual -- except the surveyor of the port, who reported his suspicions to the federal officials. The ship was seized and towed to New York, but her captain talked (and possibly bought) his way out and was allowed to sail for Charleston, S.C.

Fitting out was completed there, the Wanderer was cleared by Customs, and she sailed to Africa where she took aboard some 600 blacks. On Nov. 28, 1858, she reached Jekyll Island, Georgia, where she illegally unloaded the 465 survivors of what is generally called the last shipment of slaves to arrive in the United States.

You must be soooooooo proud.

353 posted on 10/28/2011 6:34:28 AM PDT by cowboyway (Molon labe : Deo Vindice : "Rebellion is always an option!!"--Jim Robinson)
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