“Social Security is not welfare and no one should suggest it is”
Why npt? It is. Set aside for the moment people who are under the delusion that they should get money back because they paid in (which, by the way, is exactly what its proponents wanted you to falsely believe back when they proposed it, and is the greatest trick any government program can invent to perpetuate itself across the generations). We all know some people get paid without paying in at all, so drop it.
Is this a conservative board? I was told it is, but I’m seeing the exact same emotional arguments and personal accusations that left-wingers give me when I tell them the plain mathematical facts of what an insolvent government can provide to them.