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To: Osage Orange

No one’s asking you to, but with the vast amount of state and federal land, there’s an incentive for you to at least back this plan for oil and mineral companies that want to develop on state or federal property.

As for your property rights, it wouldn’t be unscientific, or very difficult, to draw property lines that extend to the very center of the earth, and further it wouldn’t be hard to say that any mineral or oil accessed outside of those lines would be a violation of someone elses property right.

I was pretty specific in saying that if the find extended 1000’s of square miles, yet were accessed on a small piece of property, then claiming ownership of all of that is absurd.

It wouldn’t be a situation of you giving up property rights so that everyone in the state could get a check. It would be a case of disallowing you from tunneling underneath someone else’s land to get minerals, or in the case of oil, draining another landowner’s share of that well by over extracting from your own.

You’d probably not like it if I were an adjacent land owner and drilled horizontally to get at your resources.

If the resource isn’t owned by you, but exists within state property boundaries, what’s your beef with that?

I think we should be harvesting state and federal forests here in WA state, and GIVING EVERYONE A CHECK. Perhaps had we done that, Gray’s Harbor County wouldn’t have two people left in it, thanks to the spotted oil.

Nope, instead it went to the state, that frittered it away for nobody can remember now, and when the greenies had kittens about the poor owls, the Seattlites had to school the mouthbreathers that made the lumber for their houses on Lake Washington.

I’m telling you, there is nothing like getting a check from the state that says, “Here’s your share of the state’s forest/oil/mineral/hydro holdings. Together we can ensure jobs and ecology for generations to come.”

Then that same knee-jerk, greedy attitude toward ripping away your mineral rights can start working at scale for a change.

You see, after all, greed is good. Greed works. Greed cuts through, clarifies, and captures the evolutionary spirit.

And I’ll tell you something else - you wouldn’t have an immigration problem either. Ask an Alaska Freeper about those defrauding Alaska in terms of state citizenship. When there’s a CHECK at stake, and someone proposes adding more people to divide the pot, people get a lot more practical about matters of illegal immigration.

The problem would disappear. I can’t imagine what California would look like today if they’d have adopted an Alaska model for forests/oil/minerals/hydro. You think they would have tolerated an outright invasion from Mexico?


105 posted on 08/22/2011 12:12:42 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs (Does beheading qualify as 'breaking my back', in the Jeffersonian sense of the expression?)
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To: RinaseaofDs
Is Palin an expert on energy? I will ask that question again...Will you answer?

"thanks to the spotted oil"...what's a spotted oil?

Just kidding,... that..actually made me laugh.

So...greed is good for some...but bad for others? Ha!!

I might be interested in states paying citizens of said states...portions of profits from state assets. Instead of going to "the state"...which is a black hole.

You are suggesting some things that aren't really able to be totally verified. So...let's say I live over the Ogallala aquifer...Should I receive payment for those that take water from it?

Heck....I live on some dirt that others live on too. Should I get a piece of the gravel operation down the road?

Hell the wind blows thru my property before it blows thru the wind farm. Should I be getting a piece of that?

Fun to think about........

109 posted on 08/22/2011 12:31:11 PM PDT by Osage Orange (HE HATE ME)
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To: RinaseaofDs

I’m telling you, there is nothing like getting a check from the state that says, “Here’s your share of the state’s forest/oil/mineral/hydro holdings. Together we can ensure jobs and ecology for generations to come.”

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And having them all linked together makes it likely that proper environmental stewardship of the land and water will be done. Bad logging practices can harm salmon populations. Bad mining practices can hurt timber and salmon, etc. But linked together, everyone in the state has an interest in all of the various industries that reap the harvest from our natural resources.

I’m in Washington State, and it is a disgrace to see closed-off forests, shut-down gravel pits, shut-down mines, etc. All the while shiploads of the stuff we could (and should) be producing is brought in from overseas.


120 posted on 08/22/2011 1:28:18 PM PDT by 21twelve (Obama Recreating the New Deal: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts)
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