[pepsionice]

Here is the sad part about the mandate...if you think it’s ethical and legal to make a guy buy health insurance, then the same legislative process could require every American citizen to own and carry a weapon. Naturally, that would upset a number of folks quickly...but it’s the same logic.

And I will point this out...all European countries have an opt-out deal on their national health insurance deal. Typically, you have to make more than $60k (roughly) and you arrange for your own situation. Most countries also allow a gov’t employee opt-out....like firemen or police...to arrange their own situation. Anyone who says European countries require everyone to play as part of the system....is absolutely incorrect (I know because I spent fifteen years of my life in Europe).

[taildragger]

And I will point this out...all European countries have an opt-out deal on their national health insurance deal.

Yes I have heard this about Italy when a good friend of ours was expecting while on business thier. She was told if you need it you can get the state system, but no go private.

Boy, I wish I could have an Opt-Out for Medicare, Medicade, and Social Security. Johnson was worse than FDR, what Millstones around our necks...

[9YearLurker]

Doesn’t Switzerland require its adult men to own guns? I’m okay with that, but I’m not okay with Obamacare.

[SERKIT]

Here is the sad part about the mandate...if you think it’s ethical and legal to make a guy buy health insurance, then the same legislative process could require every American citizen to own and carry a weapon. Naturally, that would upset a number of folks quickly...but it’s the same logic.

So noted, but at least the Second Amendment appears in the Constitution, you know, that pesky charter of negative liberties? The right to bear arms is clear, but there is no right, and it is not possible to guarantee disease-free life. Obama wants to warranty healthcare just like his car companies - remember how he said that if a doctor "fails", and you have to go back to the hospital, it is free, like a new-car warranty? The logic is hosed.

[DrC]

“if you think it’s ethical and legal to make a guy buy health insurance, then the same legislative process could require every American citizen to own and carry a weapon.”

From an economic point of view, there’s as much logic in forcing people to jog as there is in forcing them to buy health insurance coverage. Likewise, if free riding is the concern, those with employer-based coverage are bigger free riders than those without coverage.
http://www.healthreformreport.com/2011/06/the-individual-mandate-isnt-about-saving-money.php