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To: AndyJackson

“First, let us be clear that we are talking about per annum failure rates and not per transaction failure rates.”

You might be, I’m talking about per transaction. Yes or no.

You cannot incur risk wrt pregnancy without having sex, so your objection has no merit.

“Second, are you equating a let us admit 5% chance per annum of having a child at an inconvenient time is the same as a financial whipeout.”

Yes, that’s what I’m equating it to.

“I am not. I am merely stating that it is incovenient, survivable at some sacrifice, which a whipe-out of one’s life savings may not be.”

So let’s be clear here. For a convenience that is survivible, warrants the death of a child through abortion?

“What we are actually talking about is personal irresponsibility. Not taking “consistent and proper” precautions when a lot is at stake and not caring about the consequences.”

Which is one of the points that people have been trying to drive through to you. Personal irresponsibility in other areas of life applies also to condoms.

“It is a point that your side won’t hang its hat on because you are so hung up on the idea that folks might be out enjoying sex.”

I’m happy with enjoying sex. It’s like arguing that those who are against drunk driving are teetotallers. We believe that sex as well as drinking should be enjoyed responsibly. Where we disagree is what constitutes responsible use of sex. You believe that condom use is sufficient, and I’m arguing that it’s not because so many resort to abortion after condom failure.

“Again you are trying to punish those who are responsible for the acts of those who are irresponsible.”

Isn’t this what abortion does? The unborn dies so that the mother and father can evade responsibility for their action.


501 posted on 08/22/2011 12:44:08 PM PDT by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman!)
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To: BenKenobi
For a convenience that is survivible, warrants the death of a child through abortion?

You would, as you stated, banned all use of all birth control. My premise, which you keep ignoring, is that the decision is to take the risk of having a child at an inconvenient time, and giving the child a loving home if it happens anyway.

It is you who draw the arrow from inconvenience to abortion, not me. From the standpoint of "convenience" all children are to some extent "inconvenient." They do offer other compensations that offset that. I cannot remember a single time that I thought changing a diaper was a joyous act.

505 posted on 08/22/2011 1:01:06 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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