I never, ever said that family instability and communism are the fault of condoms.
I will repeat my comment above to you, and will not bother responding to someone who is angry, rude and lies about what I have said.
And you did state clearly that lack of money was the basic cause of ill-raised children; therefore the sane assumption from your several statesments in that regard, is that wealth causes stable families with well reared children.
I would debate with you if you had not been so rude and nasty to me.
So, since in my “real” life I avoid people who have cursed at me and been nasty, I do the same on FR when the situation warrants it.
I just don’t feel like subjecting myself to any more nastiness. So, I end my part of the debate here.
You are a liar. Now, go back to my exact words, quote me exactly, and we can debate the issue.
Just to get the debate moving, though it is obvious that lots of things lead to ill-raised children. I would point out that there is blindingly obvious correlation between juvenile deliquancy and inner city squalor. The kids in my neighborhood of working professionals get little enough personal attention from their parents who are busy enough just trying to earn the money to pay their mortgage. But as a consequence they do live in some level of stability, with some example of working and being law abiding, they will get first rate professional educations and they have not become gang-bangers. That they will be liberals with too much dependency on a bloated state is a problem, and one of my favorite issues, but it does not belong on a birth control thread.
I would point out that raising children requires resources, which, unless you live in a rural environment where you can put everyone to work helping out and thereby increasing the take from the farm means having enough money to provide food, clothing, shelter, transportation, medical care and education. In any city in the US that is an astonishing amount of money, even excluding the taxpayer burden for the education, probably $6000-$12,000 per year per kid, and possibly a lot more than that if you are in NY, SF or Washington DC. One more kid than you can afford and you are sunk with little prospect of recovering.
When you slip below the break-even level, in a city, because of too many children, your only fall back is the welfare system, food stamps, public housing located in places with really poor schools.
So a more accurately stated thesis might be that forcing, through banning birth control, families to have more children than they can afford to raise will contribute to welfarism. Whether or not increasing dependence on welfare will lead to ill-raised children I will not debate, but leave you to form your own conclusions.
I never, ever said that family instability and communism are the fault of condoms.
Plenty of others have.