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“This is an absurd comparison.”

How so?

Say you have sex 100 times a year. That means even with ideal use you are looking at 1 or 2 pregnancies every year.

And that’s assuming you always use it correctly, and that stuff doesn’t break, leak, slip or fail in the process. That’s the risk you are taking that you feel is an acceptable risk.

In the real world, what happens is that stuff does intervene, and the person who has sex 100 times a year, will hit a pregnancy within 18 days (6 uses) on average. This is why there are so many abortions.

“What you luddites want is to return to a simpler world,”

I just want to stop killing babies. That’s all. I want a world where babies aren’t dumped in the trash, where abortuaries don’t exist.

“The engineering student working on his PhD and shacked up with his wife not producing children is the guy whose algorithms post PhD, when he does have a job, are going to find real terrorists at the other end of UAV sensors.”

Which is why no scientific innovation occurred before 1930?

“I suppose he should quit school get a job and raise a family and we will just do without the creation of advanced engineer skills that assist in finding terrorists.”

I don’t see why he can’t get married, get help from her family and his, take care of the kiddo, get through school, and then work, with his wife and now, beautiful 3 year old daughter in their flat.

It can be done. I have seen it done. I am here because that is the decision that my parents made.

“Or he could just do the other unnatural act of doing without until he is 33 years old.”

That is the option I have chosen. I’m not sure what’s unnatural about it, and I’m not really sure why doing what is natural is the right thing. As you said, we are not animals.

“You can bound your bibles and papal bulls all you want and it is not going to change a thing.”

The fact that we have bibles and papal bulls 2000 years later is evidence to the contrary. Yes, people can and do change. So did I. I was once on your side of the fence. I saw things exactly as you do.

But, I changed. I came to understand the cost to our society of condoms, and that I believed that the cost can no longer be mitigated. Read Steyn sometime.

“Meantime, as you said, the real world interevened and your views are chasing reasonable folks living in the real world over to liberals. However bad their world, they know they cannot live in or with your world.”

I was a liberal and I came over to the Church because I realized that they were right. Perhaps I am alone, but I know I’m not. The Church, irrespective of what the ‘conservatives’ who support birth control, will remain with her teachings of yesteryear.