Perry calls global warming an unproven, costly theory -'manipulated data' to win research dollars

Los Angeles Times ^ | August 18, 2011 | Maeve Reston

[Cincinatus' Wife]

…Perry expressed his skepticism about global warming….

…Jim Rubens, a Republican…..who works as a consultant for the Union of Concerned Scientists. Rubens prefaced his question by reading statements from Perry's book "Fed Up!" that global warming is "a contrived phony mess that is falling apart under its own weight."

Rubens, an investor who works in the clean-energy sector, asked Perry how he reconciled those views and his assertion that the Earth is "experiencing a cooling trend" with findings that fossil fuel combustion is the primary cause of global warming and...Earth surface temperatures have risen above the 20th century average every month since the mid-1980s.

If both "observed scientific data" and the National Academy of Sciences are wrong on the issue,….doesn't that call into question the entire science discovery process that is the basis for America's status as an advanced technological society?"

"You may have a point there," Perry quipped, adding that he believed the issue had become politicized. Without citing any specific examples, the Texas governor charged that "there are a substantial number of scientists who have manipulated data so that they will have dollars rolling into their projects."

His opinions put him at odds with the vast majority of experts. The United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, made up of more than 2,500 scientists, found with 90% confidence that recent warming was caused by humans. Its conclusion is supported by years of accumulated scientific data. The U.N. has warned that there is so much carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases in the atmosphere that even if concentrations held at current levels, the effects of global warming would continue for centuries.

Rubens said later in an interview...Perry was promulgating inaccurate information that could damage the reputation of the National Academy of Sciences……

[isthisnickcool]

Perry is right.

Compared to Obama Rick Perry poops jobs and bricks of gold.

[exDemMom]

(p.s. love your name)

Thanks! ;-)

[Jabba the Nutt]

Why identify Rubens as a "Republican"? Did the reporter ask him? Why did he ask him? Do reporters identify every questioner by party? If not, why not?

The reason for identifying this guys party (even though it stinks, as this guy's job depends on government largesse and the force of law) are obvious. Oh, reasonable Republicans believe in human-caused global warming, anyone who doesn't is an extreme fringe ignoramus.

Why is the LA Times losing readers year after year after year? Because people tire of being lied to and there are only so many extreme fringe leftwing nutcases, even in LA, to buy the paper.

[Jabba the Nutt]

Why identify Rubens as a "Republican"? Did the reporter ask him? Why did he ask him? Do reporters identify every questioner by party? If not, why not?

The reason for identifying this guys party (even though it stinks, as this guy's job depends on government largesse and the force of law) are obvious. Oh, reasonable Republicans believe in human-caused global warming, anyone who doesn't is an extreme fringe ignoramus.

Why is the LA Times losing readers year after year after year? Because people tire of being lied to and there are only so many extreme fringe leftwing nutcases, even in LA, to buy the paper.

[Cincinatus' Wife]

....If the Texas Governor, of all people, doesn't think we need to act swiftly on this, we are DOOMED. This is America's #1 problem right now, and it's not that hard to fix. The cancer is spreading fast though, and our leaders are FAILING us.

I don't know where you're getting your information "Mich Patriot."

Perry in helicopter with Greta

It is the Federal government's responsibility to secure the border. What is "non" border state politician Obama doing about it but turning his back on Rick Perry when he went to meet him on the tarmac in Austin with a letter -- after being denied a meeting?

Texas Gov. Rick Perry tries to deliver to Obama a letter expressing border security concerns. Photo by Jay Janner/Austin American-Statesman/ Aug 9, 2010 -- His letter was handed to Valerie Jarrett (in pink suit).

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We've been dealt a hand here in Texas (and if you've read my threads you know much of this) where we have a federal government that has not answered the call to protect the 1250 border miles Texas shares with Mexico. Gov. Perry does not believe a fence is the answer to illegals crossing the U.S.-Mexican border. He believes conservative ascendancy will. So we do the best with what we have ($100M/yr of our own state money put up to help secure an international border). We have a lot of crime to combat and pay for because of the illegal activity (drugs, human smuggling and trafficking) generated by an unsecured international border.

We can't refuse to educate or give health care, as everyone in every state is faced with the same situation, but since Perry is a border gov, he's held responsible for illegal aliens, where everyone vents their frustration about the problem using him as a whipping boy (and to make political points and take pot shots). Perry's asked for drones (went to Israel and asked how they protect Gaza Strip), has asked for 3000 people here on the TX border (crickets). Perry has set up an elite Texas Ranger unit to work on the border. Then we find out the Feds have been "running guns" across the border and we've had people killed because of that.

The Texas Dream Act was set up because we have a lot of kids here from the way the feds have allowed this to snowball. Students who have been in Texas for 3 years and graduated from a Texas high school get instate tuition (no benefits -- they pay their way) The entire Texas Senate voted for this in 2001. (The Texas Dream Act does NOT have all the hidden goodies the U.S. Congress "Dream Act" was trying to get into law.)

Perry has said: “If you show up illegally, without your card or you’re here as a criminal element, I’m for throwing the book at those folks, but the issue of people who want to legally, thoughtfully and appropriately come to America to work and help us build our economy — we should quickly come up with a program and an identification card to do that.”

The Texas legislature meets every 2 years for 140 days and the governor is allowed to call Special Sessions. He called a Special Session because he had put "sanctuary cities" on the agenda and the legislature dropped the ball -- but the Senate and then the House left again -- giving Gov. Perry nothing to sign (Texas legislators also have elections they'll be facing and no doubt didn't want a vote on this shadowing their re-election bids).

In this just ended session, after about 3 tries to slip it into a bill, a law that required people to show their birth certificate to get a drivers license got through [The amendment, added by Rep. Jim Pitts, R-Waxahachie, to the education funding bill legislators needed to balance the state budget had originally been included in Senate Bill 9, the so-called "sanctuary cities" bill that failed in the special session. It also had appeared in an omnibus homeland security bill by Sen. Tommy Williams, R-The Woodlands, that died in the regular session......By putting it into law the state potentially undermines an ongoing lawsuit that argues DPS doesn't have authority to check legal status.]. However, the ink on that law was barely dry before it was overturned by a judge – as usual.

In this last Texas Legislative session Gov. Perry signed the Texas Photo ID Voting Law -- it took 6 years to get it through -- Only 6 states have a PHOTO Voter ID requirement.

Texas has a long history with Mexico and being "Mexican" does not mean that you aren't an American, or a Texan. A lot of Texans have Mexican heritage or are married to someone who does. Perry doesn't lead with his chin. He's a thoughtful man.

Rick Perry is as ready to fix this as anyone and understands it probably better than anyone running -- or commenting anonymously on a chat site.

[sforkjoe57]

If Gov. Perry is going to challenge gov’t. science, he should enlist the help of Pres. Eisenhower, who warned us about the dangerous collaboration between scientists and politicians in his farewell address. Right after warning the nation about the military/industrial complex, Pres. Eisenhower had this to say about gov’t science:

“The prospect of domination of the nation’s scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present— and is gravely to be regarded. Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific-technological elite.”

E-mailgate made clear that Pres. Eisenhower’s warnings about a dangerous collaboration between corrupt Washington politicians and greedy scientists was a very real threat to our nation’s economic future. Naturally, foreign nations like it when we use stupid policies to lock up our own resources so that the energy supplies we import cost more.

[Cincinatus' Wife]

Indeed.

[Mich Patriot]

Thanks for your post. I never claimed to know what his plans are, but there has been a lot of (apparently misleading) information on FR lately which brought his stance into question. Don’t think for a minute that TX is the only state burdened by illegals...EVERY state is. By “...our leaders are FAILING us”, I meant at the Federal level.

The reason I say “thanks” is because you’ve provided some pretty good detail here. On the other threads, it was just a few fragments of stories and comments. You wrote: “I don’t know where you’re getting your information...”. That was really my point. There has been so much analysis offered on here both ways, the I’d prefer Mr. Perry to tell me directly where he stands. I like this guy for so many reasons, but my vote will depend heavily on this issue.

Thank you again for offering up so much information, most of which I had not read before.

[CA Conservative]

Yes, but not while he was algore right hand man, then the EPA and global was dead on correct. He was for it before he was against it as usual.

Since you say that with such confidence, I am sure you can provide specific references of Perry stating in his own words that he believed in global warming back then. I eagerly await your sources. Because without those sources, you are just another source of hot air... (contributing to global warming, are we?)

[mikhailovich]

I loved how ABC News reported last night that "Rick Perry's Texas is sending more greenhouse gases into the atmosphere than any other state." This was their lead-off statement ahead of another 3 minutes of under-handed attacks. Showing him pointing a gun into the sky, poo-pooing man-made global warming, etc.

Its funny how its "Rick Perry's Texas" when its pollution, but NOT his when its job growth and other positive things.

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

Support for perry's view...just posted this thread:

New GWPF Briefing Paper ( The Truth About Greenhouse Gases ) link to PDF

[Cincinatus' Wife]

Thank you for your reply.

[Cincinatus' Wife]

Thanks EB!

[newzjunkey]

Covenator - Your tattletale intimidation of a Freeper in good standing, who joined only a couple weeks after you did, is what's pathetic here.

Cincinatus' Wife is posting facts so fellow Freepers have context to make up their own minds about Perry.

[Cincinatus' Wife]

Bump!

[Graewoulf]

As one of the “substantial number of scientists” I’d like to make a few comments as follows:

1. There is no known cause and effect between the various oxides of carbon and the temperature of the Earth’s Oceans or waters.

2. CO2 is heavier than air and thus sinks towards the base of the air column, thus making it more difficult to have an effect on the upper atmosphere.

3. There are less than 400 parts per million of CO2 in air today, and this is less than in some parts of ice cores from comparable climates of today.

4. In Norway a skull of a polar bear was found and dated at 135KYrBP. Thus polar bears have survived through warmer periods than today.

5. The air temperature today is less than the temperature in the Medieval Warm Period.

6. The junk science statistical correlation of temperature and CO2 content is mainly coincidental, except for the “outlier years” in the 1940’s.

7. At best “Global Warming” is a speculation, and not yet an hypothesis.

8. To rise to the level of an hypothesis, there needs to be testing done that is independent of statistical inference, probability analysis, null hypothesis, and to many variables to be tested. For example, the junk scientists, in my humble, but ALWAYS correct opinion, have made the Global Warming idea untestable with over 200 variables in their computer simulations of models that include all their ideas.

9. Climate cycles are common in the historic record.

10. 5,000 years ago sea level was lower than it is today.

11. 5,000 years ago the Earth’s climate (air) was warmer than it is today. Since then the climate of the Earth has been cooling in a cyclical pattern (not linear). In general, we are in a long term cycle (thousands of years) of global cooling.

12. Junk science cannot be tested, real science can: All scientists are from Missouri.

[Cincinatus' Wife]

Bump!

AGW isn’t settled science it is social engineering BS.

[Graewoulf]

Yes indeedy! Internet pioneers such as Algore have been ruthlessly cast aside by the advent of Green Jobs advocates such as Professor You Lie, who is currently on spending leave from the Chicago School of Bureaucratic Socialism ( B. S. ).

Sigh, how I long for the day when the blackened footprints of Algore would be championed by journalists who belong to The Liberal Intelligensia Elite ( L. I. E. ).

Oh well, you know as well as I that the wave of the future is NOT dirty old Carbon footprints, but jobs, jobs, jobs created by lots and lots of beautiful green money stolen from your grandchildren’s great grandchildren.

Gotta stop as I am getting to nostalgic for the good old days when junk scientists got rewarded with Oscars and Nobel Prizes, ( sigh ).