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To: Perdogg
I am NOT in favor of open borders, but I am against either a wall or a fence for technical reasons and because of the expense.

YouTube Video: Watch how fast illegal aliens can climb over, cut through and go under a worthless Border Fence that would cost Billions to build


51 posted on 08/17/2011 11:05:50 AM PDT by Polybius (Defeating Obama is Priority Number One)
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To: Polybius

That right there is funny. How about a shovel salesman right next door? A fence with no one patrolling it would have more gopher holes under it than my backyard (and I have alot.)


58 posted on 08/17/2011 11:11:02 AM PDT by crusty old prospector
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To: Polybius

Build the double fence with a patrol road in between and put adequate personnel in place, then the border can be controlled to a high degree.

That’s what the Secure Fence Act of 2006 called for, but a certain president who came from Connecticut via Texas used many ruses to avoid following the law, and then a female senator from Texas inserted language in a later bill that removed the requirement to even build a fence.

That’s how Texas politicians act concerning border enforcement and voters are right to look at the actual record rather than listening to the cheerleading squad for any given politician.

But the border can be controlled to a large extent with double fencing and adequate personnel and the use of practical technology (not a dumbass virtual fence scheme).


73 posted on 08/17/2011 11:25:13 AM PDT by Will88
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To: Polybius
Interesting but erroneous video. Every single one of those cross-over situations were in zones that had not had the formally required approach implemented. The fences were supposed to be higher and always DOUBLE.

And if the few fences we have up weren't having an impact, then the attempts to cross in the oceans would not be increasing so rapidly. I note the price alleged is untrue, since Bush/Obama diverted 60+% of the monies, and the amount is still miniscule compared to the costs of the infiltrations against our society.

79 posted on 08/17/2011 11:27:00 AM PDT by Paul Ross (Ronald Reagan-1987:"We are always willing to be trade partners but never trade patsies.")
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To: Polybius; All

A small fence separates densely populated Tijuana, Mexico, right, from the United States in the Border Patrol's San Diego Sector. Construction is underway to extend a secondary fence over the top of this hill and eventually to the Pacific Ocean.


El Paso (foreground) and Juarez (background) are on the front line of a border war between law enforcement and Mexican cartels.


Nogales, Arizona - Nogales, Sonora


Members of the Mexican Federal Police guard over 105 tonnes of marijuana in the border town of Tijuana, Mexico. Mexico's largest ever haul of packaged marijuana could be even more than an estimated 105 tonnes and was likely taken from the Sinaloa drug gang - Oct 2010.


Rio Grand River Gorge


Rio Grande River, international border, Texas


A recently constructed section of the controversial US-Mexico border fence expansion project crosses previously pristine desert sands at sunrise on March 14, 2009 between Yuma, Arizona and Calexico, California. A top Homeland Security official told a House panel that the department could ultimately respond to escalating violence of warring Mexican drug cartels by deploying military personnel and equipment to the region. 6,290 people were killed in the violence in Mexico in 2008, according to Mexican officials, and more than 1,000 in the first eight weeks of this year. Hundreds of kidnappings in Phoenix during the same time period were blamed on the drug trade. The new barrier between the US and Mexico stands 15 feet tall and sits on top of the sand so it can lifted by a machine and repositioned whenever the migrating desert dunes begin to bury it. The almost seven miles of floating fence cost about $6 million per mile to build.

103 posted on 08/17/2011 12:02:25 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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