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These "flexible federal funding pots" are exactly what is dragging this Country down the drain. These kinds of slush funds are wide spread, and are outstanding examples of things the Federal Government has absolutely no business funding in any way.

I predict that within 90 days of this fiasco's opening, most of the bikes will either be stolen or trashed so badly as to be unusable.

Your tax dollars at work.

1 posted on 08/16/2011 7:09:09 AM PDT by Bean Counter
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2 posted on 08/16/2011 7:10:08 AM PDT by Bean Counter ("For every man there exists a bait he cannot resist swallowing.".....Nietzsche)
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To: Bean Counter

$4million buys a lot of bikes. I would think the $2m in private funds would be a plenty. They will lay around gathering dust or be stolen or trashed anyway. Waste waste waste for feel good projects that help a tiny percentage of people.


3 posted on 08/16/2011 7:13:47 AM PDT by SolidRedState (I used to think bizarro world was a fiction.)
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To: Bean Counter

As I recall, Madison Wisconsin has such a program, but a volunteer group uses old bikes for the program?


4 posted on 08/16/2011 7:14:26 AM PDT by TWohlford
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To: Bean Counter

Remember that first TV footage of Beijing when Nixon landed there in ‘72? That is what Portland is going to look like soon.


5 posted on 08/16/2011 7:15:59 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Bean Counter
And such an idea has never been tried anywhere in the world. /s. I know they have this in some foreign cities and think it may have been tried here in the US. Never seen it reported as a success.

Reminds me of healthy food snack machines. Liberal “thinking” forces these on the public. Saw one in the early 70s. Didn't get much use.

6 posted on 08/16/2011 7:16:38 AM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (Those who trade land for peace will end up with neither one.)
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To: Bean Counter

$4 million startup costs.

Let’s say 10,000 people in the area use the service regularly. That works out to $400 per regular user of the service.

Then you have the yearly costs—including the cost of new city employees. Let’s say that’s only $1 million a year. That works out to $100 per regular user of the service.

$400 per person the first year, $100 per person the following years. It doesn’t take much numbers running to realize that it would be cheaper (a lot cheaper) for the city to just give people bicycles and locks.


7 posted on 08/16/2011 7:24:05 AM PDT by Brookhaven
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To: Bean Counter

Four million bucks for bikes? Even at $400 a clip that’s 10,000 bikes in Portland. Really? There’s a demand for 10,000 rental bikes in Portland?

Man, there is some serious “overhead” (read: corruption) to managing this as I would be surprised to see more than 1000 bikes hit the streets.


8 posted on 08/16/2011 7:27:08 AM PDT by hattend (The SEALs got Osama. The only thing Obama killed was our childrens future - NoLibZone)
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To: Bean Counter

I understand this has been somewhat successful in London. However, in Boston, it has been a total dud, at least as far as I can tell.

The reason is that they charge $10 for each rental! Far easier (and cheaper) to use public transit.


10 posted on 08/16/2011 7:30:15 AM PDT by Fractal Trader
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11 posted on 08/16/2011 7:35:06 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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I wouldn’t go that far to say it would be a failure. Over here in Minnesota, we have a bikeshare program that’s a huge success. What they did was they required the potential cyclist to pay for the rental vial credit card, put down a $200 deposit on the bike and then require the person to return the bike within 24 hours or else they lose their deposit. It costs around 30 bucks an hour to ride the bike (Which really cut into the bike rentals of the local bike rental businesses, BTW).

The risk of the bikes getting stolen and appearing in a chop shop is low, because the bikes have a distinctive look and on the open market, a bike like the ones they offer usually costs about 300$. Highly inexpensive for a bike and not worth the risk of a felony vandalism charge to chop them up and sell them.

https://www.niceridemn.org/

In the bike-happy Twin Cities, the program’s become a huge success for a government program. That being said though, I think the private sector could have served the population a lot better and provided way more jobs and offered a better selection than the niceride MN pea soup colored bikes.


15 posted on 08/16/2011 8:09:23 AM PDT by NorthStarStateConservative (Springtime in America will arrive on January 21, 2013.)
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To: Bean Counter

It’s really a bike give away program.

spread the wealth dontchaknow.


18 posted on 08/16/2011 8:25:15 AM PDT by Texas resident (Hunkered Down)
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How much would it cost?
Smart Card bike sharing systems range in price from $4,500 - $5,500 including the cost of docking stations, computer software, licensing, bikes, and other capital expenditures. Operating costs range from $1250 - $2300/bike, although some business plans purport that over 50% of operating costs can be re-captured through subscriptions, rental and user fees. Cell phone activated systems tend to have a much lower capital costs ($1000-$2500/bike) than Smart Card systems, but require more staffing.

http://www.portlandonline.com/transportation/index.cfm?c=50814#How much would it cost?

19 posted on 08/16/2011 8:27:11 AM PDT by moovova (“There is nothing wrong with our country,” Obama said in a speech at a Holland, Mich. plant.)
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To: Bean Counter

This is just so dumb. We have had a bike sharing program in my college town for 10 years. The bikes are trashed and rusty and nobody ever uses them. The program was an abject failure.

If you let people use something for free, they will give it no value and have no problem treating the bikes like junk, which they will be after a few months.


22 posted on 08/16/2011 8:51:40 AM PDT by Poser (Cogito ergo Spam - I think, therefore I ham)
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To: Bean Counter
I wasn't familiar with these programs until I read about the one here in DC about a month ago. I can't support the public funding of it. If it paid for itself, ok. If it had a substantial positive impact on the populace, I might be ok with it even if it were subsidized.

But, it is utilized by a very small minority whose presence may in fact hinder transportation in all the ways cyclists inadvertently gum up systems designed for automobiles.

With that said, if they extend the DC program into Arlington like they plan to, I will likely use it on occasion for trips too far to walk and too short to Metro.

23 posted on 08/16/2011 8:52:35 AM PDT by Mr. Bird
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To: Bean Counter

No thanks. I’d rather drive my gas guzzling SUV with tush friendly seats, A/C and that will carry more than a bic pen.


26 posted on 08/16/2011 9:11:28 AM PDT by bgill (just getting tagline ready for 6 months after you vote in Perry - Tried to warn you he's a RINO.)
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