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Obamacare: Free Birth Control for All! (You think you won't be paying for it?)
National Review ^ | 08/12/2011 | Deroy Murdock

Posted on 08/12/2011 7:57:43 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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1 posted on 08/12/2011 7:57:47 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Maybe I’ll be paying for it, but its cheaper than paying for the offspring.


2 posted on 08/12/2011 8:01:25 AM PDT by rbg81
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To: SeekAndFind

The estimated cost of delivery alone is $6,000 – $8,000 for a low risk pregnancy, and the cost increases if it is a high risk pregnancy.

http://www.americanpregnancy.org/planningandpreparing/affordablehealthcare.html

the personal cost of birth control ranges from $10 to $100 or more a month

http://www.dailyfinance.com/2011/04/14/contraception-cost-birth-control-pills-craigslist/

You do the math.


3 posted on 08/12/2011 8:07:35 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: rbg81; SunkenCiv; TheOldLady
but its cheaper

This is completely ridiculous. Every household out there already has all the birth control they would ever need. In a variety of styles, colors, and flavors...


4 posted on 08/12/2011 8:08:37 AM PDT by bigheadfred ("I consulted all the sages I could find in yellow pages but there aren't many of them")
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To: rbg81
Maybe I’ll be paying for it, but its cheaper than paying for the offspring.

That opinion may be unpopular around here, but I second that!

5 posted on 08/12/2011 8:08:40 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: SeekAndFind

Bama’s mama should have practiced some control.


6 posted on 08/12/2011 8:09:10 AM PDT by IbJensen (God made idiots. That was for practice. Then he made politicians.)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

Especially when they decide to riot or form flash mobs.


7 posted on 08/12/2011 8:14:11 AM PDT by rbg81
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To: SeekAndFind

Well all won’t be using it..Your welfare moms will not use because that would mean welfare checks will stop..When they stop having babies to pay for their drug habits and extras they want, then I would say yes pay for it if it will really be used for the people that keep popping out babies for money.. My question here isn’t the birth control already free in the clinic and some schools ..


8 posted on 08/12/2011 8:22:07 AM PDT by PLD
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To: SeekAndFind

We pay out-of-pocket, without insurance co-pay, just under $20 per month. No big deal. If the government is going to get involved, their only interest should be in making sure that all welfare women are on the pill as a condition of receiving benefits.


9 posted on 08/12/2011 8:23:29 AM PDT by GizmosAndGadgets (How free are you in America today?)
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To: ilovesarah2012; All

“... which equals $180 to $600 a year!”
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the government certainly isn’t going to make this cheaper or more efficient. so it will be the high side of 500.
so i will try some math.
(how many woman use it? i don’t know. 50 million plus?)

$500 x 50,000,000 = 25,000,000,000
each year.

if it is so much cheaper and better than being pregnant,
then let them find a way to pay themselves.
free market works. if that is done, the costs WILL go down.

you could make the same argument, for many things.
AIDS costs a LOT to treat. condoms can prevent it.
so the taxpayers should pay for free condoms for ALL gays.

...well, i believe the more we return to personal responsibility, the better. the government has no right to take MY money, and give to someone else, for THEIR voluntary choices.
that is wrong, immoral, and UNAMERICAN !


10 posted on 08/12/2011 8:25:07 AM PDT by Elendur (It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Pearls Before Swine
Won't do any good. Free birth control is only effective to the extent that it gets used whereas popping out crack babies opens up a whole new range of payments from Big Daddy Government. As the article states, poor women already get BCP for free and we've seen how well they use them.

Now middle class and rich women can get in on free BCP.

“Women currently pay between $15 and $50 a month in co-pays for birth control pills — which equals $180 to $600 a year!”

So what? I may think I need DirecTV for entertainment just as much as these women and their partners need to be banged. So shouldn't the government pay my DirecTV bill?

11 posted on 08/12/2011 8:28:45 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: rbg81

Birth control always has been free. Don’t do it!


12 posted on 08/12/2011 8:29:11 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: Elendur

Go to any local health department and they will be happy to give you all the free condoms you want. Let’s be realistic - women who don’t have health insurance or thousands of dollars still get pregnant and have babies and taxpayers will continue paying for them. I rather pay for birth control.


13 posted on 08/12/2011 8:30:28 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: SeekAndFind

I am all for it. This is one example of taxpayers money well spent. An ounce of protection is worth a pound of cure.


14 posted on 08/12/2011 8:31:19 AM PDT by eastforker
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To: ilovesarah2012

I had my first child late last year. The total statement from the hospital was about $12,000 and I had a very easy, healthy pregnancy. I had to laugh that they charged us $700/night for my son’s ‘room stay.’ I guess that little plastic rolling cart is pricey! :)

Thankfully we have insurance, but still had to pay some bills. But the price is staggering if you are uninsured. A $3 condom or $20 birth control pills per month sure is a lot cheaper.


15 posted on 08/12/2011 8:36:33 AM PDT by AUJenn
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To: eastforker

This would even work better. Free vasectomies or tubes tied with the promise that everyone who gets one will get a check for $100 a month for life.


16 posted on 08/12/2011 8:38:12 AM PDT by eastforker
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I completely agree. Why is childbirth so expensive anyway? And to think my grandmother gave birth to eight children at home!


17 posted on 08/12/2011 8:51:12 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: rbg81
"Maybe I’ll be paying for it, but its cheaper than paying for the offspring."

Then maybe you should re-read the article, especially this paragraph:

“We intuitively think that eliminating the co-pay for birth control will help alleviate the rate of unintended pregnancies, but this may not be so,” says Dr. David Friedman, assistant clinical professor of gynecology at Manhattan’s Mount Sinai Medical Center. “If the abortion rate reflects the rate of unintended pregnancy, then populations with free birth control, like those on Medicaid, should have lower abortion rates. But the opposite is true. Although the Medicaid population made up only 18.92 percent of New Yorkers in 2009, they had 39.75 percent of abortions. [My addition: and over 70% of the out-of-wedlock childbearing.] This lends pause to the notion that eliminating co-pays will have any constructive effect on preventing unwanted pregnancies.”

Oh.

Now, why would that be?

(Think, think, think.)

The problem seems to be this:

Your idea that contraception reduces unintended pregnancies is a perfectly reasonable inference from pharmacological evidence, but not a reasonable inference from societal evidence. Your conclusion is obvious, common-sensical, and factually incorrect.

This is because contraception has two principal results, one intended and one unintended.

A contraceptive reduces the odds of any particular act of intercourse resulting in pregrancy.

But the easy availability of contraceptives spawns a mentality which holds that intercourse, once intended for procreation and for pleasure, is now intended for pleasure tout court.

The first (intended) consequence has resulted in fewer births per x number of acts of intercourse, albeit with a 3% - 30% typical-use failure rate (Link, an inbteresting one) ---an offensive term, but its meaning is "pregnancy rate." The second (unintended) consequence has been a massive increase in the frequency of intercourse between people who are not married to each other, hardly even like each other, are not building a life together, and/or, even if married, have no intention of being co-reesponsible for a baby.

Altogether, 53% of unplanned pregnancies occur to women who are using contraceptives (that includes the Pill, condoms, jellies, jams, and sprays), but nearly 100% of these women are surprised, affronted, feel angry, betrayed, etc. by the now-shocking fact that sex led to pregnancy.

This number is greater than the number of men who feel that way, because increasingly, men don't think about it at all. ("Pregnancy? Well, whatever. That's her problem.")

This leads to promiscuity, divorces, abortion, skyrocketing STD's (HPV now infecting one in four sexually active Americans), sub-baboon levels of sexual responsibility, mutual contempt between men and women, mutual contempt between parents and children, etc.

Contraceptives were the paraphernalia of Ye Olde Sexual Revolution. That's old news. That happened 50 years ago. What's happened since --- the 50 million American abortions and the 30% American illegitimacy rate (in the most contraceptive - subsidized communities, 70% illegitimacy) is the result.

(Just waiting for the typical liberal response: It didn't work? Well, that's because we didn't do it enough! Do it earlier! Easier! Faster! Door-to-door! Coast-to-coast! Make it mandatory! Above all, let's throw more money at it...)

18 posted on 08/12/2011 8:56:44 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("It's no exaggeration to say that the undecideds could go one way or the other." George Bush)
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To: SeekAndFind

Well I see it this way...women of child berating age will find it much harder to find a job as soon as the insurance company informs employers it will cost them more by employing them because of this.We will soon see companions only hire women who are over 40 and not much chance they will need this for too many more years.


19 posted on 08/12/2011 10:29:31 AM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: SeekAndFind

Well I see it this way...women of child bearing age will find it much harder to find a job as soon as the insurance company informs employers it will cost them more by employing them because of this.We will soon see companions only hire women who are over 40 and not much chance they will need this for too many more years.


20 posted on 08/12/2011 10:30:04 AM PDT by chris_bdba
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