Posted on 08/11/2011 4:52:44 PM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner
What part of my saying I want a conservative do you not understand?
I said I want a conservative who can win.
That’s Rick Perry.
No, just not pretend they were his best friends and kiss arse. Reagan spoke to many ‘opposition’ and or ethno religious groups respectfully and professionally without the kissy kisy.
That too much to ask? Islam is quite unfriendly to the Constitution after all.
Well, let's look at who Perry was talking about:
"The Āgā Khān is particularly interested in the elimination of global poverty; the advancement of women; the promotion of Islamic culture, art, and architecture; and promoting pluralistic values in society. He is the founder and chairman of the Aga Khan Development Network, one of the largest private development networks in the world, which toils towards environment, health, education, architecture, culture, microfinance, rural development, disaster reduction, the promotion of private-sector enterprise and the revitalisation of historic cities."
Now, doe we as a society want to build good relationships with Muslims like this, or do we want to turn ALL Muslims (all 1 billion plus) completely against us? It seems like we want to encourage the most moderate and oppose the most radical, since we are not going to eliminate them all.
It’s neither. I guess your definition and my definition are not the same. Besides I’m not really interested in your, “have you stopped beating your wife” type questions.
Sorry, but you go right ahead and buy into it. I personally believe that Taqquyia (sp?) and the Koran means exactly what Muslims say. Infidels are to be converted or killed.
I choose America and to hell with Islam.
Wow. Okay, good luck electing a candidate with THAT platform...
Ah....you want to rephrase that? Are you seriously saying we should elect candidates that Muslims approve of/are ‘friendly toward’ and not candidates that put America first?
“By Definition, a candidate can not be conservative and be Open Borders, Pro-Amnesty, Anti-Border Fence. “
I’m with you. Open borders is the single biggest THREAT to the Republican Party. We simply CANNOT get away with importing Democrat voters by the 10s of millions. It was only a few short years ago that Hispanics surpassed blacks as the largest minority in this country. They were both around 13% then. Now Hispanics are more like 16%, with blacks still at 13%. They are growing VERY, VERY, fast. If you give them amnesty, the number will be closer to 25%. Not good for either the Republicans or the cohesion of this country.
As to candidates...it’s pretty obvious, you either support Open Borders or you don’t...and Perry clearly comes down on the Open Borders side. And people forget just how damaging it is to have an Open Borders Republican in the White House. Bush nearly passed Amnesty - while the Dems never even tried it under Obama...it is MUCH HARDER for Republicans to stop a renegade Republican President than it is to stop ANY Democrat president...and it was very, very, close under Bush-43.
We don’t need a repeat.
Wow, did you even hit the brakes before you drove off that cliff? Absolutely nothing I said even HINTED at what you said.
The first requirement for ANY candidate is that they put America first. But if you run a candidate with a platform that says to hell with Islam, or to hell with Hispanics, or to hell with Europe, etc, it might make you feel good for a while, but your candidate will not win. You see, part of the job is diplomacy, something you appear to be lacking.
No, you are talking about being accommodating politically to Muslims and then saying “Good luck to electing a person with a platform who isn’t.
Not off any cliff. Pretty straight up. Muslims first or America first. I cannot believe a FR poster would put muslims over Americans so what gives? Do you agree that muslims must accomodate America or vice versa? Please tell me you don’t.
Not even close. I can't believe you are that dense, so I assume you are being deliberately obtuse. You are making a classic straw-man argument - accusing me of something that was never said nor implied, and then trying to make me defend it. It is intellectually dishonest and reveals more about the shallowness of your position than anything else.
Your words...
“Now, doe we as a society want to build good relationships with Muslims like this, or do we want to turn ALL Muslims (all 1 billion plus) completely against us? It seems like we want to encourage the most moderate and oppose the most radical, since we are not going to eliminate them all. “
Diplomacy is two lions and a sheep discussing what is for dinner. Moderate muslims danced in the streets on 9.11 and clam up every time a Muslim kills scored of people.
I said I take them at their word and their words say that lying to infidels is preferred to advance the cause of Islam and that Infidels must be converted or killed.
Maybe I am dense to not trust such people when they CLAIM to be moderate because as the Koran explicitly says, it’s OK and even preferable to lie to get what they want.
Now did you or did you not say “Now, doe we as a society want to build good relationships with Muslims...”?
How do you do that with liars? Why do you want to? What is shallow about putting Americans above the wants/needs and desires of Muslims whether or not it offends them?
Sorry. nothing dishonest there either.
Edit - ‘every time Muslims kill scores of people since.’
Okay, you've conviced me - you're not just being obtuse - you really are ignorant about politics and international relations. Good to know. Now I can stop wasting my time with you. Have a good evening.
Yea, I’d run too if I were that wrong. Don’t forget to pay the jyzia though. We existed for a long time without their oil and can do it again. Amazing how reliant you make us out to be on the whims of Islam. I have far more faith in our country.
BTW, you didn’t answer any of my points, but then I didn’t expect you to.
Please don’t change your mind about Perry.
He was probably trying to broaden his appeal.
This is a minor thing.
Don’t think for a minute that Perry doesn’t understand the Muslim danger.
It will be different when he is POTUS.
Multiculturalism.
Perry is telling us that he is a multiculturalist.
Multiculturalism is a disaster.
You gotta be kidding!!!!
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