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To: Wonder Warthog
I guess I don't see the stationary uses.

Hydrogen generation requires some other form of energy to make hydrogen. The hydrogen then has less energy than you started with at the same location. Why not just use what you started with as your energy source?

Perhaps for energy storage for something like wind or solar. But then you are talking about a rather significant amount energy storage and the efficiencies and volumes become a significant restriction like in transportation. Compressed air or water lift provide as good or better efficiencies and storage constraints.

The hydrogen works, I just see it as significantly less desirable than other options. It would be more cost for no gain.

54 posted on 08/12/2011 8:07:53 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney
"I guess I don't see the stationary uses."

Powering your home isn't stationary?? See discussion upthread about the NJ engineer who gets all his energy from solar hydrogen. His "one-off" system cost ~$500K, but most of that was engineering. His estimate for cost to reproduce his system was on the order of $50K. And that was years ago.

"Hydrogen generation requires some other form of energy to make hydrogen. The hydrogen then has less energy than you started with at the same location. Why not just use what you started with as your energy source?"

Because batteries are expensive for the amount of energy required to run a whole house.

"Perhaps for energy storage for something like wind or solar. But then you are talking about a rather significant amount energy storage and the efficiencies and volumes ecome a significant restriction like in transportation.

Sorry, but no. The storage volume density requirement for home power is MUCH MUCH less than for transport usage.

"Compressed air or water lift provide as good or better efficiencies and storage constraints."

Again, no. Compressed air is much less efficient (energy lost as heat during compression). And the likelihood of your house being next to a suitably tall hill for "pumped storage" is nil.

55 posted on 08/12/2011 9:05:52 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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