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Perry as a (Very Conservative) Democrat
Texas Tribune ^ | July 25, 2011 | Mark P. Jones

Posted on 08/07/2011 2:50:09 PM PDT by Clairity

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To: potlatch
I also stay off of these threads a lot because they sometimes make me angry.

I know what you mean, it seems to come in cycles and as you say; "Can’t imagine the next year!".

Next year maybe Mrs. Smooth and I will travel around and see the country! LOL!

81 posted on 08/07/2011 9:04:00 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: bobk333
If Rick Perry becomes president, it will be extremely counter-productive to the Tea Party movementUnited States.

I believe this better describes the situation.

82 posted on 08/07/2011 9:09:00 PM PDT by zeugma (The only thing in the social security trust fund is your children and grandchildren's sweat.)
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To: lentulusgracchus; Clairity; SoConPubbie; af_vet_rr; stevie_d_64; Allegra; re_nortex; davetex

Even the lefty Texas Observer said that the Governor sent Armbrister to the Senate where he “twisted arms” to get the Bill passed. https://www.texasobserver.org/lalinea/perry-breaks-with-big-bidness-tx-republican-party-and-his-former-sel


83 posted on 08/07/2011 9:18:12 PM PDT by hocndoc (http://WingRight.org)(I've got a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.)(RIAing))
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To: dragnet2

The Legislature hasn’t overturned the DREAM act, either. I guess it’s better to have these young people go to college than to have them hiding out as illegals or trying to deport them to Mexico.


84 posted on 08/07/2011 9:21:53 PM PDT by hocndoc (http://WingRight.org)(I've got a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.)(RIAing))
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To: Ron H.; Siena Dreaming

http://www.texastribune.org/texas-politics/2012-presidential-election/rick-perry-democrat-years/
He’s quoted in 1985, saying he would change the Dems to be more conservative:

At the beginning of his six-year run in the state House, Perry shot down the notion that he might switch parties despite his conservative leanings that put him at odds with his party leaders. After former U.S. Rep. Kent Hance of Lubbock defected to the Republican Party in 1985, Perry told the Abilene paper he was “disappointed,” saying he planned to “change my party” rather than defect to the other side.

“I want the left hand side of the party to make the right hand side of the party comfortable,” Perry was quoted as saying. Hance, now chancellor of Texas Tech University, said he remembers telling Perry, “‘Good luck on it. I don’t think you can do it.’ … And sure enough he couldn’t.’’


85 posted on 08/07/2011 9:41:29 PM PDT by hocndoc (http://WingRight.org)(I've got a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.)(RIAing))
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To: Ron H.

According to NPR,http://www.kutnews.org/post/rick-perrys-religious-revival-sparks-holy-war the Response was planned just after the election:
“”Late last year, shortly after he won his third term, Perry, a Republican, began to envision the event that is now called “The Response.”””


86 posted on 08/07/2011 9:54:26 PM PDT by hocndoc (http://WingRight.org)(I've got a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.)(RIAing))
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To: okie01
Unless there is some way for cattle (and goats and sheep) to access your "park", they're going to die of thirst.

It's really not as easy as it sounds...


All I hear is excuses.

This is a problem that is eminently fixable IF Perry really wanted to.
87 posted on 08/07/2011 10:04:53 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: SoConPubbie
This is a problem that is eminently fixable IF Perry really wanted to.

So, how would you get the cattle to water?

88 posted on 08/07/2011 10:21:41 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: okie01
So, how would you get the cattle to water?

Gee, I don't know, how about Gates?
89 posted on 08/07/2011 10:24:34 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: hocndoc

I guess it’s better to have these young people go to college than to have them hiding out

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Are you stupid? Why would you support that?

Questions:

1. Do you support government robbing tax payers of their money while rewarding illegal aliens who break our laws?

2. Do you support illegal aliens and their children choking off our health-care, our hospitals, social services, jails and our schools at tax payer expense?

3. Do you support illegal aliens and their children taking the place of and or degrading the education of legitimate American citizens, caused directly by massive overcrowding of our schools?

4. Since illegal aliens in Texas and elsewhere are currently rewarded for breaking our laws, tell me specifically, which laws can I break, where I will be rewarded by government?

5. Do you support illegal aliens who entered illegally and had children, taking jobs meant for legitimate American citizens?


90 posted on 08/07/2011 10:32:41 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: SoConPubbie
If the idea of your parks is to have an impassable fence closing them off, why would you want gates in it?

Gates that would be left open 24-7...?

Now, I'm really confused.

91 posted on 08/07/2011 10:35:07 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: potlatch

Ok. thanks


92 posted on 08/08/2011 1:43:32 AM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: dragnet2

No, I’m not stupid. I’ve done the research.

The Texas DREAM Act is very different from the failed and warped federal Act. It is our law in Texas, passed with veto-proof numbers by the Texas Legislature in 2001,over 10 years ago. HB 1403 passed in the Senate with 29 “yeas,” and there were 130 votes in favor in the House. http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/BillLookup/History.aspx?LegSess=77R&Bill=HB1403 Text, here: http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlodocs/77R/billtext/doc/HB01403F.doc The Texas Legislature has never repealed the DREAM Act, although it was revised and made stricter in 2005 with SB 1528. That Bill also appeared veto-proof, with 31 “yeas” in the Senate,and a non-recorded vote in the House. http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlodocs/79R/billtext/doc/SB01528F.doc This year, Senator Birdwell’s attempt to increase tuition for undocumented students failed to make it out of the Senate, even when he tried to tie an amendment onto the larger Education Bill.

For adults who cross the border illegally, I would insist that any path to citizenship or residency begin on the other side of the border — *especially* if they have an anchor baby as proof that they have already broken our laws. No ifs, ands, or buts about it.

In fact, I’m all for identifying adults who came here illegally, breaking our laws and for deporting the whole family until they can get in line and come here legally. Otherwise, we are encouraging people to break the law over and over. They go “underground” and are vulnerable. However, the Feds won’t deport people. The Courts have ruled that we can’t “chill” the educational prospects of the children. They won’t allow us to identify those illegal adults with kids in our schools and deport them. There’s not even any legal provision for identifying their country of origin. young people often graduate from our high schools truly “undocumented” in either country.

The Texas DREAM Act allows the young adult — who is here through no fault of his own – to be counted as a resident for tuition rate purposes. Young people who finish at least 3 years of high school, get their diploma from a Texas high school, have lived in Texas the 12 months before applying, and who get admitted to a Texas college, pay in-state tuition. In contrast to what we often hear, the law doesn’t discriminate against legal aliens from other states: rather than 3 years of residency, they only have to live in Texas for one year to establish residency and it doesn’t matter where they went to high school.

In order to continue to qualify for in-State tuition rates, he must pass his classes, take a full or near-full load and promise to formally apply for documentation, legal residency and begin the requirements for taking an oath of citizenship.

So, until we can get the federal law changed to better control and deport known adult illegal aliens, do we Texans encourage their identification as (grateful) United States Americans and Texans or do we make them men and women without a country?


93 posted on 08/08/2011 7:30:24 AM PDT by hocndoc (http://WingRight.org)(I've got a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.)(RIAing))
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To: dragnet2

In addition: What on earth makes you think any job is “meant for” anyone? Don’t you believe in the free market?


94 posted on 08/08/2011 9:36:39 AM PDT by hocndoc (http://WingRight.org)(I've got a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.)(RIAing))
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To: okie01
Now, I'm really confused.

Now I doubt that.... Maybe dishonest, but not confused.
95 posted on 08/08/2011 10:28:27 AM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: Clairity

Bush and Obama are one and the same...save for John Roberts.

You don’t get Obama without Bush.


96 posted on 08/08/2011 11:42:21 AM PDT by Gipper08 (www.travishankins.com...a real CONSERVATIVE)
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To: hocndoc
5. Do you support illegal aliens who entered illegally, had children, who are taking jobs meant for legitimate American citizens?

What on earth makes you think any job is “meant for” anyone?

In a country gone mad..

I'm getting that monkey movie feeling again..

It's mad house!

97 posted on 08/08/2011 12:03:44 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: SoConPubbie
Maybe dishonest, but not confused.

You find it necessary to insult. Why?

You proposed a way to "close the border".

I pointed out a practical flaw that, perhaps, you hadn't thought of.

You chose to be dismissive.

Now, you result to insult.

Can't handle criticism? Even when it isn't meant personally?

Sorry I tried to help...

98 posted on 08/08/2011 7:07:23 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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