Posted on 08/07/2011 12:14:05 PM PDT by americanophile
“Ryan helped push the best deal we could get and kept us alive to fight another day.”
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Hey imbecil; this deal is one of the reasons our credit score was lowered! It did nothing to fix the problem! Good grief...you and Laura Ingraham cannot be this stupid!
Great, thanks for the post!
Indeed. Time is of the essence.
As much as I admire Reagan, you have to admit all we’ve done for the 100 years is compromise with progressives, statists, leftists, marxists, social democrats — you name it. And look where we are today. Frankly, compromise has totally failed us. They have gotten everything they want right up the the demise of America. One more “compromise” and the whole nation is lost.
Not analogous; the parent and child are one in this country.
Yes, if not now but if not now it won’t matter. Without reverting to panic... if we don’t get this mess changed now it will not recover in most of our lifetimes.
The link to Ryan’s oped is here: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703806304576242612172357504.html
Pretty words but too many and too complex for the mouth breathing masses to understand. Heck, they will never see or hear this. They don’t read the WSJ and they sure don’t read the oped page of that, what is becoming just another rag. The message has got to go out to the masses in a way they can understand and it has to go out bluntly. We are broke and unless you want to eat the cow that provides the milk we have got to stop spending and take care of the cow.
Most mouth-breathers wouldn’t understand that because they have never seen a cow and think the milk comes from the grocery store and Uncle Sugar.
Ryan is beating a dead horse if he thinks that the takers can be encouraged to become producers by training them. What will convince them to work is an empty feeling in their bellies, a cold night or a very hot day in their apartments. They don’t want to work people! They make more by not working and have gotten used to it and they LIKE IT!!!!
What Mr. Ryan and other political hacks keep missing is that we MUST eliminate BASELINE BUDGETING. It encourages waste. (for definition see here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baseline_%28budgeting%29). Carter tried to implement Zero Base Budgeting but like most of what he did it was a cluster fluck. Baseline Budgets are sinister and allow political hacks to argue over how they are going to spend the automatic increases to what they have already wasted and will continue to waste. Google this discussion, Taxpayer’s Against Govt. Waste get it.
If Mr. Ryan and his gang of hacks are serious and unafraid of losing their fat cat contributors they should clearly state that many corporations, BIG ONES, pay essentially NO TAX AT ALL. They don’t pay the 35% highest corporate tax rate in the world at all. Lower the corporate tax rate to 25% and make it payable on all C corporations. Hell, S corporations pay it already. Share the sacrifice. Be honest about it. On the other hand, encouraging reinvestment so the stockholder doesn’t pay double taxes on both profits, dividends and capital gains is a pretty good idea. The whole thing is screwed up... Ryan is right, can the tax code but then again, starting over opens the door for lots of politics and handouts and graft and corruption.
Nobody likes it but repeal the Bush tax cuts. Yes, that is what I said. Give the masses what they want. Return of the Bush tax cuts will raise taxes on those who pay almost no tax at all by a larger percentage increase than they do on the “wealthy”. If that is what the lefties want to promote, that it taxes the “wealthy” “fairly” let ‘er rip so long as the return to pre-Bush is uniformly applied.
Medicare is a sticky mess. It is a blank check for extension of life when death is inevitable. My father died over the course of 5 days. I never saw a bill. Poppa was going to die anyway. We spent a lot of taxpayer money, enriched the hospital to subsidize others and provided some good fees to a large group of doctors... all to let Pop suffer and think longer about he inevitable. He would have been better off at home on the farm with his last sight across the valley and the fields and of his family.
Limit Medicare lifetime expenses. Let persons decide how they want to use them. Subsidize the premiums for private health care premiums as a transition and let Medicare disappear. Deep six Medicade at the same time... another blank check spending disaster facilitated by the taking class.
As for health care reform, it is another cluster fluck, go back to the drawing board but first repeal oblabla care. Fix the real problems with health care, too much cost, no portability, selective purchasing by consumers with no risk management allowed, no transportability across state lines.
Making work pay didn’t work out. Maybe making hunger motivate would. Maybe we could help people but also make them understand that a $10 an hour job doesn’t look too bad at all.
FAT CHANCE. NONE OF THIS WILL EVER HAPPEN. WE ARE HEADED FOR THE WASTE BASKET OF HISTORY and I am wasting my time here today. We all are aren’t we?
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No thanks. For all his budget cutting talk, Ryan appears to be a business as usual kick the can down the road RINO. These guys are not grasping the anger of we the people. We want action against the spending and we want it now!! Not empty promises. These guys failed in their fiduciary duty to HOLD THE LINE!!
Trillions! TRILLIONS!! This is unmitigated mind-boggling bullshit!!
And the idiotic Super Congress diluting our tea party representation is nothing less than treason!! Tyranny!! Stupidity!!
Taxation without representation!!
McConnell, Boehner, Ryan, et al, should be tossed out on their backstabbing backsides!!
They joined the treasonous democrats in plunging us trillions of dollars deeper into bankrupting debt when all they had to do was vote no and HOLD THE LINE!!
Ryan for president? That’s a freaking JOKE!! He can KMA!!
Rebellion is brewing!!
DON’T TREAD ON ME!!
Our government was designed such that the House, Senate President or Court could check the actions of the other. We don’t have a parliament after all.
When you're in a minority position, as we are on the Hill, you take the best deal you can get to minimize the damage to the country (unquestionably our first priority), and try to avoid being politically eviscerated, which is what would have happened to us if we didn’t compromise at this juncture. The result of holding the line would have been either a partial government shutdown or a default, and as we’ve seen, the market has already made a large correction and we’ve been downgraded on our credit – both occurrences which would have happened in any event, but would have provided irresistible political fodder for our opponents. We already fought the shutdown fight with Clinton and lost. The Obama economy is a nightmare, and this shutdown would have allowed him to blame his continued poor performance on the alleged uncertainty wrought by the intransigence of the GOP. Rather than allow Obama to shoot himself in the foot, you would have placed the economic millstone around our necks and doomed our chances in 2012, for nothing. Had there been a partial shutdown, Republicans would have been blamed for every negative ramification - from delayed Social Security checks and Medicare reimbursements to closed national parks to endangering our troops and mistreating our veterans. It would have been a nightmare for us, and the result would have dramatically increased the likelihood of a a return of Obama in 2013 with a strengthened hand. Moreover, since the real budget issue is entitlement reform, and there is ABSOLUTELY NO hope of passing major entitlement reform while this president is in office, and the Dems control the Senate, it’s purely destructive – there is no benefit to this kamikaze approach.
2012 is perhaps the last big chance to fundamentally reverse what Obama and generations of liberal policies have wrought, generic Republicans are out-polling him; we were wise not to sacrifice the enormous opportunity to do good then, with what would have been a largely symbolic, and ultimately destructive one now.
I think one of the reasons is the S & P. The politicians knew this was coming, and I think they HOPED that it would delay the downgrade. Ed Morissey made this point...that Republicans would have been blamed for the downgrade (which would have happened on Wed) if nothing had been done. As it is now, my hope is that the debate on REAL spending cuts can begin because ultimately S & P have said it’s all about the debt and entitlements...and tax increases won’t make a dent in that. I DO believe that the if Cut, Cap and Balance had passed, we wouldn’t have been downgraded...and that’s something that the republicans should NOW try to get off the table and passed in the Senate.
He gets it. “One of those provisions is to fix this baseline joke. I mean, the baseline. So Louie is completely right about baseline. We’re going to be doing budget process reforms, line item veto, more spending caps, [INAUDIBLE] budgeting, and fixing this baseline issue.” - Paul Ryan on Hannity
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/hannity/2011/08/02/exclusive-rep-paul-ryan-hannity#ixzz1UNRUbuzl
When? It had better be soon. How? Not with this Spinate and presentdent.
Like I said at other times. I think that we are well and truly screwed until obla is out of the picture, most of the rinos are gone and the spinate is in the hands of the tea party.
IF that happens, and I think it is a very very long shot. A response to necessary change will be bloodshed.
We are well and truly screwed.
How can anyone in his right mind hope that adding trillions more to the already nation crushing debt would enhance our credit rating? Sheer lunacy.
Needs to be tattooed to their foreheads:
IT’S THE SPENDING, STUPID!!
And the Republicans are already being blamed. So friggin what? They’re going to get blamed anyway, no matter what!
They had a chance to HOLD THE LINE!! They punted. Worse, they surrendered our tea party power in the House!!
RINOS are going to PAY for their cowardly treason!!
Rebellion is brewing!!
Our time for change is November 2012.
Ryan talks big, but when he had the opportunity to stick it to the big spenders, he dropped the ball. He punted!! All mouth, no balls!!
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