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To: Miss Marple
The author correctly points out that this is a political struggle, not an economic one. We are witnessing the collapse of the welfare state not only here but in Europe. The culture of dependency will fight tooth and nail to keep the welfare state afloat even if it means taxing us to death, evisceraing the military, and imposing an oligarchy to take away our liberties. Mandates like Obamacare are just the tip of the ice berg along with the unelected czars at EPA who dictate our behavior thru Executive Orders.

We have 54 million on SS, 47 million on Medicare, 60 million on Medicaid (and Obamacare will add another 18 million more), and 45 million on food stamps. 47% of the population pays no income tax and 80% of the population pays more in payroll taxes than income taxes. This huge constituency will be more supportive of the Dems in maintaining the status quo. than Reps who wil propose the hard but necessary actions to get us out of this nosedive.

We are right now in the greatest struggle for the survival of this nation since the Civil War. I agree with Bray that the Tea Party is our last best hope of preserving the vision and values of our Founders. This next election is the most important any of us have seen in our lifetimes. We must win if we want real "Hope and Change."

167 posted on 08/07/2011 7:42:08 AM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

I heard an interesting interview on the radio the other day about how Canada dealt with some of this. For some reason they were able to divorce national debt from partisanship, because numbers are a FACT, not an opinion.

Some of their reforms were started under liberal politicians due to that shift in looking at the debt issue.

They still have problems, but it is not viewed the same way there as it is here, or for that matter, in Europe.

We might make more headway if we explain to some liberals that if the debt overwhelms our economy, there won’t be any money for things like environmental regulation or clean energy. (Please note I roll my eyes as I say this.)

We are dealing with a great many people who have child-like wants, who stomp their feet and cry “I want it NOW!” while the parents are pointing out “We don’t have any money!”


173 posted on 08/07/2011 7:48:20 AM PDT by Miss Marple (uestioner in contrast.)
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To: kabar

Excellent post #140


174 posted on 08/07/2011 7:48:25 AM PDT by samtheman
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