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To: jospehm20

I am so sick of the Pubs on these threads who constantly knock Boehner. You go try doimg the job of herding cats and see how far you get. The bill as I understand it, is only 74 pages long, so there’s not that much to read. It’s not like the healthcare bill, that was miles long. And Boehner, due to the Dems, had no way to adhere to the 72 hour rule. I think there are a bunch of curmudgeons that lurk on these threads that are negative about just everything. Too bad they show up with such regularity. Pubs can be so much like a circular firing squad that it makes me ill to contemplate, so I won’t.


38 posted on 08/01/2011 8:43:10 PM PDT by flaglady47 (When the gov't fears the people, liberty; When the people fear the gov't, tyranny.)
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To: flaglady47
Give me a break. No one forced Boehner to take the job. He wanted it.
And he only got it because of the Tea Party. And the only thing the Tea Party asked was to STOP the spending. He not only didn't stop it, he increased it.
So don't ask us to feel sorry for him. If this job is too much for him, he can always quit.
49 posted on 08/01/2011 8:58:50 PM PDT by lara
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To: flaglady47

“due to the Dems, had no way to adhere to the 72 hour rule”

BS. That “immoveable deadline” shtick is getting a bit stale by now, the statists use it too much. Boehner has learned a lot from his pals Pelosi and Reid. What do you suppose would happen if there were no deal tomorrow? I think nothing would happen. I would not be surprised if they could find tricks and gimmicks to extend the “immovable deadline” out to the end of the year if they had to. They already moved the “immovable deadline” once, from June to now. The reason they rushed this through is the same reason they rushed through TARP, Obamacare and other statist wet dreams. It is because this deal massively sucks, Boehner knows it massively sucks and he wanted to get it done before conservatives found out just exactly how massively it sucks. That is why Boehner reneged on his three day promise. This deal supposedly cuts around $2 trillion in spending according to the CBO over the next ten years. Does anybody believe they will really make even these anemic “cuts” in the out years? If absolutely zero was done to the budget for 10 years, the CBO would score it as a $9.5 trillion cut. That means this great republican negotiated deal only slows the out of control rate of government growth by about 20%. It does not really cut a damned thing, government will continue its explosive growth at 80% of the speed it is growing now. The republicans elected last year promised to cut government and reduce spending. Seen any of that yet? I haven’t. They promised to do something about Obamacare. Have they repealed or even attempted to defund Obamacare? They promised to reign in out of control government regulation. Have they repealed the light bulb ban? Boehner was particularly treacherous in how he handled that vote. The truth is that Boehner, Cantor, McConnell and the rest of the establishment republican crew are not that different from the Pelosi/Reid establishment rat crew. The difference between the two groups is in degree, not in direction. Boehner’s action speak louder than his words and they tell me that the two groups have a common goal in growing the government. Why should the people who voted republican in 2010 expecting a change in direction support these liars again? Will they promise to do more cool conservative stuff they will renege on once they get re-elected? If I was trying to get a third party movement started in the USA, I could never handle it as effectively as Boehner is doing it now.


61 posted on 08/01/2011 9:32:23 PM PDT by jospehm20
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To: flaglady47
Boehner sold out the people who put into the Speaker chair.

This bill is a farce and a disgrace.

Pelosi couldn't have done worse.

83 posted on 08/02/2011 3:06:08 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (When the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn (Pr.29:2))
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To: flaglady47
The bill as I understand it, is only 74 pages long, so there’s not that much to read.

You haven't read it, have you? I'm trying to, and it's either nonsensical or outrageous.

Pages 9-16, AFAIK, authorize an increase in spending of $26T over 10 years. TWENTY SIX TRILLION DOLLARS OF NEW SPENDING! It's not "caps", it's "roofs" - encouraging spending to at least those specified levels ... which can of course be bumped further with a few strokes of a pen.

I don't yet see where the "cuts" are. In light of the aforementioned $26T, they aren't. Word is the 2012 "cuts" are $0.022T ... how the he11 is 0.08% in "cuts" vs. increases going to help?

The President, it seems, is given unilateral authority to increase the debt ceiling further. Sure, Congress can say "no", but the policy now favors raising it.

That's not herding cats, that's spraying catnip and squeaky toys.

103 posted on 08/02/2011 7:52:43 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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To: flaglady47
If we're going to eliminate the debt, we need to cut - that's REAL cuts as in using last year's budget and reducing spending from there, not these farcical "reductions in rate of increase" cuts. A reasonable, if generous, period for debt elimination is about a generation: 30 years. How much to cut? We need to cut $2T in 2012 over the 2011 budget, and keep it there. This Boehner Bill "cuts" $0.022T - while _increasing_ spending by $1.9T ... you see a problem here?
104 posted on 08/02/2011 8:01:54 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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