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Tripling America’s Fuel Production - Most alternatives to oil are pipe dreams. This one is not.
NATIONAL REVIEW ONLINE | July 27, 2011 | Robert Zubrin

Posted on 08/01/2011 2:23:33 PM PDT by neverdem

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To: HiTech RedNeck
Wouldn’t methane make more sense than methanol?

Maybe, if you don't mind a huge compressed gas tank taking up your trunk. I like this idea because methanol will oxygenate yourr gasoline, it's not subsidized, increases the ooctane rating, it's fairly cheap and it's fairly energy dense.

41 posted on 08/01/2011 5:30:36 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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42 posted on 08/01/2011 6:28:09 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: neverdem

Something not being considered is that alternate vehicle fuels like methanol needn’t be used nationwide. The Eastern Seaboard, for instance, contains one third of the US population and ample amounts of coal and natural gas. Methanol fuel could be produced and consumed in many places along the Eastern Seaboard and that consumption could greatly reduce the national consumption of gasoline and diesel fuels.


43 posted on 08/01/2011 7:25:17 PM PDT by decimon
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To: neverdem

And it’s a water soluble poison. Fumes are more irritating to eyes than those of conventional gasoline. Gasoline spills want to stay above water and eventually evaporate.

But anyhow I think the biggest problem with algae-ols is their copious thirst for fresh water. This harvest of biomass carbon isn’t a dry process. If an algae could be engineered that would be happy drinking sea water, that could change the picture. I hope it wouldn’t get loose and cover the oceans however.


44 posted on 08/01/2011 9:58:01 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution! (See my freep page))
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Nothing is perfect. If we want cheap energy to get out of this economy, lets go for anything that works. We can’t used subsidized stuff.

The Great Depression was caused by bad debt too. All the banks have to write off their bad loans. Propping up housing prices from the bubble is dumb. But everyone can use cheap energy from one of the world’s top five chemical commodities. It’s not the only idea, but it shouuld help.


46 posted on 08/01/2011 11:40:53 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: neverdem

I fear it won’t be cheap to gobble up great volumes of fresh water in fermentation farms. The question isn’t one of perfection but of practicality.

In the meantime, the US is turning into the Middle East of natural gas. It’s actually being exported, there is so much. Known reserves are now around a century.


47 posted on 08/02/2011 12:38:12 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution! (See my freep page))
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To: neverdem

“The United States possesses around 4 billion metric tons (29.5 billion barrels) of proven oil reserves. This would barely be enough to support a fully fuel-independent America for four years.”

That’s a god damned lie!!!!

The US has hundreds of years of oil reserves just in California not counting Alaska and the Rockie mountain states!

According to Union Oil, they alone have 400 years of US supply in California.


48 posted on 08/02/2011 1:00:36 AM PDT by dalereed
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To: neverdem
Methanol/ethanol is crap fuel, kill it completely!!!
49 posted on 08/02/2011 1:03:27 AM PDT by dalereed
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I’ve read that the only major stumbling block with algae is figuring out how to harvest it. That the algae is really good at fouling any equipment designed to suction it from whatever liquid medium it’s in.


50 posted on 08/02/2011 2:58:16 AM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: neverdem

No insult to you but this to is BS !

Drill for oil here ! Refine the oil here and shoot the EPA in the ass there.

We have to be secure in our energy sources an policies as we develop new sources of energy. We’re exploring new sources without having a secure domestic source in hand first.

All for development of better an cheaper but you can’t kill the milk cow off before you try to learn to milk a rock for a same product....

EPA has to go....fire em all sn offer em jobs in oil industry or thorium based nuclear power plants.

My opinion...


51 posted on 08/02/2011 6:02:15 AM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: neverdem
During the 1940s, the United States produced 60 percent of the world’s liquid fuel. This advantage proved to be a major factor in securing the Allied victory in World War II. Had we been as weak in energy security then as we are today, we might well have lost the war,..

"Might have lost?"
'Heck' we would have been Japan or Germany.

That's why Japan attacked us. FDR set up a Blockade so Japan couldn't get at OIL and other mineral sources it needed to survive. FDR knew what he was doing and knew War would result. So Pearl Harbor was no shock.(1)

Not to mention that lack of OIL was also the reason Hitler lost. He needed the oil fields in Romania and the Refineries at Ploiesti. And was a reason for the Nazi's last gasp effort called The Battle of The Bulge. To continue fighting, Hitler needed to get at our Oil-Gas depots. But as we know, 'luck' broke our way, the SS had to retreat and literally ran out of gas on the way back.(2)

(1) FDR may as well have spit on Superman's Cape or thrown sand on the 'Bully at the beach'. (old ref)
(2) That part was when some of the fiercest fighting in 'The Battle of The Bulge' occurred. Patton's 3rd Army took very heavy casualties then. Most by his 'best' men - the 4th Armored Division (aka: 'Name Enough'). Who were also the first into Bastogne to relieve the 101st Airborne.

52 posted on 08/02/2011 6:17:41 AM PDT by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits [A.Einstein])
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To: neverdem
To list a few of methanol's potential sources: oil, natural gas, coal, urban garbage, or any kind of biomass without exception.

Is he talking about those flash mobs? Who knew they were good for something?

53 posted on 08/02/2011 6:24:12 AM PDT by tnlibertarian (Don't mend SS, end it.)
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To: dalereed
Methanol/ethanol is crap fuel, kill it completely!!!

Why don't you read? Gasoline must be oxygenated to reduce pollution. Methanol is not subsidized. Ethanol is subsidized.

Get a president and 60 votes in the Senate plus a majority in the House who agrees with drilling for oil, then you can stop ranting.

Other than that, the economy still needs cheap, unsubsidized energy of all kinds.

54 posted on 08/02/2011 12:07:28 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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