Posted on 07/28/2011 5:54:16 AM PDT by brent13a
In California, where I live and work, there has been an increasing movement among a segment of legally-armed citizens to carry unloaded sidearms in plain view. This trend is happening elsewhere, but there seems to just be more “activity” around the movement here in the Golden State perhaps because it seems so much more difficult to get a CCW here than in most other states.
In my humble estimation, the video of Officer Matthew Lyons of the Oceanside (Calif.) PD could be a training video for any agency that has to deal with “open carry citizens.” In fact, the video of video below in which Officer Lyons encounters one of those individuals stands in stark contrast to another we posted to PoliceOne last week.
There has been quite a lot of traffic to the video of Canton (Ohio) Patrolman Harless not just here on PoliceOne, but all over the Internet — and his less-than-stellar response to a legally-armed citizen in his sector. I’m told that Harless has been — or soon will be — relieved of his badge. Well, regardless of the outcome of that particular case, there are myriad examples out there of officers encountering an open-carry citizen, and I point to this one with Officer Lyons as a compelling example of “doing it the right way.”
Officer Lyons has been hailed by a handful of bloggers, including one for CBS News which bears repeating here:
“Officer Matt Lyons with the Oceanside Police Department definitely deserves a shout out for this almost 3-minute encounter. Officer Lyons, we salute you, not only for your incredible professionalism, sense of humor, and great on camera demeanor, but also your dedicated 22 years of service in the United States Marine Corps.”
(Excerpt) Read more at policeone.com ...
i listened and heard what the officer said... did you...
because a lot of calls are made, doesn’t mean he can violate the constitutional rights of a citizen.
you miss the point of protecting the rights of individuals.
sheesh.
t
And with that being said, is it also safe to assume you approve of any middle eastern gentleman entering an airport with an exposed sidearm and being able to board a scheduled flight without being challeged? After all, we have our 2nd Amendment rights don't we?..........
It’s up to the “patriotic citizen” to use their power of the vote to change that system.-—
or his video camera.
I also trust that when choosing between wanton oppression, and backing the people, you will choose the people.-—
as long as the people pay his salary.
Be specific now TEEMAN8R, what rights of "Jeremy" were violated? He was questioned by a LEO in response to calls that were made by concerned citizens, as the officer was obligated to do, then allowed "Jeremy" to continue on his way........
Of course we won't bring up the fact that "Jeremy" was walking along side a four lane highway, which in itself was highly unusual.........
a christmas story ... the toadie was the bullies minion...
expendable minion doing the dirty work and hides under the rock of oppression...
toady or toadie... i like the toadie... less manly.
t
I guess I don’t get it. Open carry is legal in NH.
What is the point of open carry of an unloaded gun? Just to piss people off?
What if your unloaded gun causes a loaded gun to be drawn? How f***ing stupid is that?
Presumably if the Middle Eastern gentleman was boarding a flight with a holstered sidearm, other individuals would be doing so as well, and if he tried to hijack the flight with that sidearm, he'd get his f-ing head blown off.
Nice try with the race card there, but sorry, no cigar.
The officer did not have a reason to stop the man.
He was detained without probable cause, reasonable suspicion, or even mere suspicion that a crime had been, was being, or was about to be committed.
Or do you think that when a cop demands you relinquish your firearm that you can reasonably assume that it's a consensual encounter? I don't.
See Florida v. J.L.
hahahahahaha
you’re racist.... shall not be infringed. though it is hard to holster an ak47... but i wouldn’t be afraid if i were also allowed to carry.
pea brained.
shall not be infringed. what does that mean to you.
now give me the strawman argument about nuclear weapons... how we can all carry nuclear weapons.
sheesh.
read the constitution and the founding fathers federalist papers and do not let fear make you a toadie.
It's refreshing to know that you hold the same philosophy when it comes to racial profiling, especially when it involves groups of muslims attempting to board airplanes together. You OK with them exercising their 2nd Amendment rights without being questioned by TSA or a LEO? Or are you carrying a double standard?
Or how about those three hispanics walking in front of your house, openly carrying sidearms and maybe a rifle or two, you ok with that or do you think that just maybe you might call the police to have them come and check these guys out? After all, they're citizens so they have their rights don't they?
But if he didn’t then you would approve..........nice try.
Then by your response, you have no problem with that..........
Open carry of a loaded firearm is ILLEGAL in California without a CCW license that's all but impossible to get in populated areas unless you're a major campaign contributor to the Sheriff.
However, unloaded open carry is LEGAL.
This is a form of activism, like that carried out in Ohio a number of years ago, to try to get the government of California to reform its horribly broken and discriminatory concealed-carry licensing system.
You quietly engage in LEGAL actions, and let the response of the government to those LEGAL actions speak for itself. It's kind of like civil disobedience, except you're obeying, instead of disobeying, the unjust laws.
What if your unloaded gun causes a loaded gun to be drawn? How f***ing stupid is that?
The only time that happens is if you run into a steroid-addled police officer as happened in Ohio recently. It's risky, yes, but Freedom isn't Free.
He was obligated to follow up on the calls that were made to his department........
What evidence was there of a “disturbance”? A citizen peacefully going about his business? The person creating the disturbance was the person calling 911 at the sight of a citizen carrying a firearm.
And why do you bring up the hypothetical of an armed citizen approaching an officer in the middle of a traffic stop? What does that have to do with the situation here? That is not what happened in this case, as far as I know.
You can think what you want, but if you're a lawyer for "Jeremy", you're the only one going to collect on this one........and Jeremy ends up the loser.
Actually according to the USSC no they do not have to.
"Jeremy's" case, according to you, will have to make it there.......it's not even going to make it local since there has been no response from "Jeremy". Obviously he was ok with it, so why your intensity?
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