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To: Cboldt
There is no such thing as consent of the governed, unless you were there and voted on its creation. I live under the government as I found it.

And no, I don't think our government deserves moral respect. Government, to me, is no different than organized crime. They force you to pay tribute, in order to protect you from other criminal organizations. And they require you to do their bidding or else suffer the consequences. How is that different than the mafia?

As for what is or isn't beyond their power, the question is a circular one, because the "geniuses" who wrote the Constitution left the inmates in charge of the asylum. At best we have branches checking each other, but no check when all are on the same page. If the Congress says it's OK, and the president agrees, and the SCOTUS agrees, that's that. What I personally think has no relevance.

68 posted on 07/27/2011 6:10:26 PM PDT by Huck
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To: Huck
-- There is no such thing as consent of the governed, unless you were there and voted on its creation. I live under the government as I found it. --

So did the founders, and they rebelled with force of violence. "Consent of the governed" is a shorthand that aims to legitimize government. When the public is against the force of government, as happens from time to time, then "consent of the governed" is demonstrated to be absent.

As I understand your statement, you find violation of law to be unacceptable, no matter what the circumstance; and even when the government deserves none of your personal moral respect.

-- What I personally think has no relevance. --

Tough shot to call. At some "critical mass" point, disdain for and rejection of the legitimacy of the established government will have an effect on a wider future than ones own personal fate.

69 posted on 07/27/2011 6:40:01 PM PDT by Cboldt
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