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To: dragnet2

>I might point out, after Gunrunner was established, the violence in Mexico increased substantially. ,

Absolutely .. that was the point of it. That is what Obama wanted.

>the risk is very real of things going south and is well documented in thousands of cases.,

Any case can go south for any number of reasons. You don;t need an informant to do it. I have seen some informants more reliable than the cops!

>In fact countless times informants have fabricated evidence or statements in hopes of reduced sentence, favors etc.<

Certainly, but that is why there should always be some form of checking their statements and evidence as to credibility.
Independent verification and corroborating evidence is necessary when using them.

>Gunrunner is not without issues or problems and these issues are well documented.<

The issues with gunrunner going wrong from it’s plan was that the FBI didn’t count on the BATF saying what a mess it was. Then them going further and demanding that it be stopped. Taking it higher and higher every time that they got stonewalled.

The issue of it going wrong from a law enforcement standpoint is that it was illegal from the beginning and against every set of principles LEO’s train for and work by.


91 posted on 07/28/2011 4:13:25 PM PDT by Munz (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.)
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To: Munz
I might point out, after Gunrunner was established, the violence in Mexico increased substantially.

Absolutely .. that was the point of it. That is what Obama wanted.

To be fair, the violence in Mexico started really escalating during the Bush years, and continued to dramatically escalate after Gunrunner was established.

92 posted on 07/28/2011 4:49:12 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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