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To: rmlew
Not true at all.

While it is true that Christianity and Islam have largely switched places in modern times in how they treat Jews - just a casual perusal of Jewish history will support what I stated, and contradict your "not at all" (which seems to want to place history in an "all or nothing" category, which is the nonsensical attitude I was responding to).

I suppose your reform education did not teach you that the sages of Europe migrated from Europe to North Africa, and eventually the Middle East? It was not until the so-called Enlightenment and subsequent assimilation that Europe appeared to be less hostile to Jews (we will leave you alone if you don't seem so Jewish). That is not to say that Muslim lands were friendly - but my comment was in response to a ridiculous assertion that "Jews hate Christians" meanwhile claiming no responsibility for Jewish suspicion of Christians. Everyone should own up to the fact that anti-Semitism is ingrained in Christianity AND Islam.

The fact is, the dispersion and exile are supposed to be hardship - and they are. Whenever Jews are separated from the Land of Israel, it is spiritual deprivation.
108 posted on 07/26/2011 6:41:55 AM PDT by Tzfat
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To: Tzfat
While it is true that Christianity and Islam have largely switched places in modern times in how they treat Jews - just a casual perusal of Jewish history will support what I stated, and contradict your "not at all" (which seems to want to place history in an "all or nothing" category, which is the nonsensical attitude I was responding to).

Perhaps, you should have paid attention to the next two sentences I wrote: Jews were ensalved, murdered, forceably converted, or at best subject to Dhimmitude, a system somewhere between Jim Crow and apartheid. Jews have been treated well and poorly in most societies."
MY point is clear. Muslims have horribly mistreated Jews. At different times, Jews were tolerated, allowed to flourish, or persecuted in most countries.

I suppose your reform education did not teach you that the sages of Europe migrated from Europe to North Africa, and eventually the Middle East?
Like Maimonedes who fled the Almohad Caliphate for Egypt?
Let's have some perspective. The Spanish Christians did not end of the Golden Age of Jews in Spain, it was the Muslims who did with the Granada Massacre

It was not until the so-called Enlightenment and subsequent assimilation that Europe appeared to be less hostile to Jews (we will leave you alone if you don't seem so Jewish).
Jews were allowed back to England in the mid 17th century, two generations before the Enlightenment. And for almost 400 years from the Statute of Kalisz in 1264 until the Chmielnicki Uprising (these were Ukranians) in 1648, Jews in Poland had their own Golden Age. The Enlightenment was certainly a positive turning point, but history is rather complex here.

124 posted on 07/26/2011 10:28:58 AM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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