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Conflicting plans contributed to break-down of Boehner and Obama talks
Keith Hennessey Financial Blog ^ | July 23, 2011 | Keith Hennessey

Posted on 07/23/2011 9:12:01 AM PDT by casinva

Budget talks between President Obama and Speaker Boehner fell apart yesterday

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(Obama comment) It is hard to understand why Speaker Boehner would walk away from this kind of deal. (End of Obama comment)

I actually think it’s quite easy. The President backtracked in private negotiations this week, demanding bigger tax increases after the Gang of Six, including three conservative Republican Senators, released a plan that raised taxes more than the President had previously demanded.

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While it is an aggressive tactic, there is nothing “wrong” with moving backward in a negotiation. It is likely to anger the counterparty, and it usually reduces the chance of getting a deal. But sometimes conditions change, as they did this week, and one party feels his position is strengthened and thinks he can demand more.

That appears to be the case here. The three conservative Republican Senators who supported a high level of taxes changed the President’s perception of what he could demand on taxes, and especially what he could publicly defend as reasonable if negotiations fell apart. So he backtracked and increased his demand.

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The Gang of Six’s efforts have been characterized by some as a shining example of bipartisanship that showed a path forward toward a budget compromise. But because the Gang’s plan was left of the President on taxes, the President backtracked and caused negotiations to collapse. The Gang of Six’s substance and timing helped kill whatever remaining short-term chance there was for a big budget deal.

President Obama used the Gang of Six’s plan as an exit strategy. He backtracked on taxes, knowing this would force the Speaker to abandon negotiations, and knowing he could use the Republican Senators in the Gang to argue from a position of increased rhetorical strength in the ensuing debate.

(Excerpt) Read more at keithhennessey.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: budget; ccp; debttalks; gangofsix
For those of you who are trying to figure out what all these various debt plans are about, this is a very good article to read in full. (Link to entire article above.)

It may not answer what is exactly in every plan, but it sure helps you understand that it is not helpful for Republicans to be negotiating against themselves.

1 posted on 07/23/2011 9:12:14 AM PDT by casinva
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To: casinva

Shut it down.

It’s the only solution. No middle ground. No “negotiations”.

Draw the line. Then shut it down.


2 posted on 07/23/2011 9:15:10 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: casinva

Obama’s only plan is to spend more money and raise taxes. His end game is the destruction of the US.


3 posted on 07/23/2011 9:20:36 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Obama reminds me of Arafat walking out after being offered nearly everything he wanted. A marxist dreams of a USA default.


4 posted on 07/23/2011 9:26:06 AM PDT by aimhigh
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To: aimhigh

Yep. Obama says one thing and does another. He hates America as do all lefty’s, including the press.


5 posted on 07/23/2011 9:28:02 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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To: casinva

The gang-of-six Republicans need to be severely chastised for their stupid behavior.


6 posted on 07/23/2011 9:41:15 AM PDT by expatpat
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To: expatpat
The gang-of-six Republicans need to be severely chastised for their stupid behavior.

Isn't it preposterous that they're working against the Rs in the House. Just how effing stupid was the whole gang of 6 thing. Just damn.

And don't you worry about chastising Chambliss of Ga. I myself will have something to do with ensuring a reasonable primary candidate for Saxby the lying senator.

7 posted on 07/23/2011 9:50:00 AM PDT by Principled
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To: casinva

Ok, here’s how this SHOULD be managed.

Boehner tell Obama and the world, “We have submitted our plan, if you don’t like it, then amend it, vote on that result, and return it.

Gang of Six.....Sit down and shut up!
Republican Senators can only undermine Boehner’s efforts and make unnecessary and ruinous concessions.

Boehner should tell Obama:
“You need to write down your plan, because I seem to be having trouble remembering today what you said yesterday.”
(cuz calling the Prez a friggin’ LIAR, won’t help)


8 posted on 07/23/2011 9:52:10 AM PDT by G Larry (I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his character)
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To: casinva

What the hell? The Weepy Bonehead had a trillion in new taxes in that ball of crap ,He was rolling out of congress!


9 posted on 07/23/2011 10:16:29 AM PDT by Cheetahcat ( November 4 2008 ,A date that will live in Infamy.)
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To: G Larry

McConnell Plan Hurts the Country Long Term But Hands Obama a Rope To Hang Himself Politically

http://spectator.org/archives/2011/07/19/mcconnell-is-handing-obama-a-r#


10 posted on 07/23/2011 10:19:29 AM PDT by sheikdetailfeather ("Kick The Communists Out Of Your Govt. And Don't Accept Their Goodies"-Yuri Bezmenov-KGB Defector)
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To: sheikdetailfeather

Ya....well McConnell needs to sit down and shut up too!

Let them either deal with Cut, Cap, and Balance, or put their own damn plan IN WRITING!


11 posted on 07/23/2011 10:34:36 AM PDT by G Larry (I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his character)
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To: sheikdetailfeather

Your article is a very good article as well and to me, confirms yet again that Republican Senators need to be careful not to give alternatives to Obama that give him bargaining strength or possibly an open door to create an even bigger mess of his own design. The “Gang of 6” plan definitely turned the tables on yesterday’s debt talks, providing an exit strategy for Obama to close all doors on CCP completely. McConnell’s plan could possibly do the same thing.

We need to be talking to our Senators, it seems!


12 posted on 07/23/2011 10:52:59 AM PDT by casinva
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To: G Larry

I agree!


13 posted on 07/23/2011 11:05:38 AM PDT by sheikdetailfeather ("Kick The Communists Out Of Your Govt. And Don't Accept Their Goodies"-Yuri Bezmenov-KGB Defector)
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To: casinva
No wonder the American people are confused and angry at both Obama, the Democrats and the Republicans. This entire debt ceiling negotiation has become a farce. Obama is attempting to pull off a deal that hikes taxes while staying vague about actual budget cuts and positioning himself to look 'presidential' and the victim of mean-spirited Republicans that want to throw grandma off the cliff by slashing her Medicare benefit while handing Warren Buffet and Bill Gates a new corporate jet in the form of tax 'cuts', which according the left, are always for 'the rich' and no one else, ever.

Everyone sees it from their own political perspective but I view Speaker John Boehner as doing a decent job so far but allowing tax hikes ('revenue enhancements') was a foolish error, so frankly, I'm just as glad the deal collapsed, although Obama pretending to be a 'victim' is galling. I think Boehner is finally soured on any chance of Obama ever making a deal that doesn't screw the American people and betray the TEA party voters that helped the GOP win a voting majority in the House last fall. I have no idea how this will all play out but I do know that I'm hoping Boehner stands firm and doesn't allow Obama and the MSM to convince him to agree to give away more taxpayer money to keep feeding the government alligator.

14 posted on 07/23/2011 1:38:07 PM PDT by Jim Scott ( "Game On!" - Sarah Palin)
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