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To: Christian Engineer Mass
China's objection to the Catholic Church is that it wants the Chinese state to appoint the clergy and control the religion. Unlike in some Muslim countries the Catholic Church does not make appointments to political positions and reciprocally will not allow political states to make appointments to their clerical positions.

As for the Border issue, the Catholic Church is far from the only church advancing the wrongheaded open borders position.

29 posted on 07/17/2011 6:50:32 PM PDT by drpix
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To: drpix

“China’s objection to the Catholic Church is that it wants the Chinese state to appoint the clergy and control the religion.”

Come on now, read that again - it doesn’t make any sense. That’s not their objection, that’s their action; what they do.

Sure, liberal “churches” which don’t believe the Bible, don’t believe in anything like the virgin birth, that Jesus is coming again, etc. (ie. they are not by any reasonable definition Christians) also push open borders out of their leftism. I wasn’t using that as the premise, I was using it as an example of mixed allegience.

I would agree that leftists have mixed allegience also, but it’s a lot harder to pin down. It’s more about psychology today, with the leftists. Their other allegience is kind of their tribe, something which doesn’t exist in any place, although if you push many leftists you will find a soft spot for the traditional anti-US countries.


32 posted on 07/17/2011 6:58:06 PM PDT by Christian Engineer Mass (25ish Cambridge MA grad student. Many conservative Christians my age out there? __ Click my name)
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