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1 posted on 07/17/2011 11:25:04 AM PDT by thecodont
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If the SF Comical thinks it is a good idea, then I am against it. Every time they want to F*&K with the electoral college it is not for the greater good, but for their greater benefit. Hell no.


2 posted on 07/17/2011 11:27:43 AM PDT by ScottinSacto (If anyone will beat Obama, let's not send just anyone. Cain/West 2012)
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The constitutional sidestep that probably isn’t constitutional.


3 posted on 07/17/2011 11:28:44 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: thecodont

And so they dilute their own power. Be my guest!


4 posted on 07/17/2011 11:28:44 AM PDT by Da Bilge Troll (Defeatism is not a winning strategy!)
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Just a power grab for the lefties ,, what this does is give leverage to the rat strongholds over the rest of the country where they can manufacture votes such as Philly where 110% of the people vote... and New Orleans , Chicago , Detroit , Miami , New York , Mass etc. etc.


7 posted on 07/17/2011 11:34:49 AM PDT by Neidermeyer
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Let's say for the sake of argument Obama wins CA in 2012 by 10% and somebody like Palin wins the popular vote by 2% but is 11 votes short in the Electoral College.

Would the CA voter be happy with their electoral votes going to Palin to push her over the top?

That said, the Constitution allows a state to award their electoral votes on ANY basis they see fit as long as it is not contrary to some other part of the Constitution. HOWEVER, if an election is held in that state to determine the Electors...every citizen in that state has a right, ensured by the Constitution, that their vote counts equally with all other votes cast.

My opening scenario shows why this will not pass Constitutional Muster...at least in a sane world.

10 posted on 07/17/2011 11:38:00 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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MD [where I live] passed this law which will not take effect unless enough states [totalling 270 electoral votes] do the same.

It is an INSANE proposition - and if the GOP wins the next election, the citizens of MD will go berserk. MD will NO DOUBT go for the DEM candidate, BUT they will THEN realize that [had this law been in effect] their electoral votes woulda gone to the GOP ...

I am NOT a fan of the current system [winner-take-all, except for ME and NE].

The FAIREST way to ensure that all votes count [down to the lowest levels of citizenry] is to award the electoral votes by district in each state. Win the district - win the one electoral vote assigned to it.

There are [of course] two electoral votes left over [assigned to the Senate seats]. These would be awarded to the winner in the overall state vote - as a “bonus”.

Therefore, in 2008, instead of Obama winning 10-0 in MD, he would won something like 7-3.


11 posted on 07/17/2011 11:40:54 AM PDT by Lmo56 (If ya wanna run with the big dawgs - ya gotta learn to piss in the tall grass ...)
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This law (if passed) would only last until such time that California’s EV’s were awarded to a Republican, who then wins the Presidency because of this law.


13 posted on 07/17/2011 11:43:44 AM PDT by Michael.SF. (When you hear hooves, think horses, not zebras.)
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It can and has been mathematically proven that this idiotic scheme actually LOWERS the voting power of the voters who participate in this scheme. How?

Think of a baseball series of 3 games. Analogize the games to states, and runs to voters.

Currently, if you win 2 games by 1 run and lose the third by 3 runs, you win the series. The first two games mattered.

With their proposal, if you win 2 games by 1 run and lose the third game by 3 runs, you LOSE the series. The first two games (states) did not matter.

So all this sounds like it’s good for the third game (state), and bad for the first two games (states), and therefore their voters. The math gets a bit hairy here, but the result is that because each game (state) has a chance of being one of those that doesn’t matter, the total voting power of each run (voter) in ALL of the games (states) is lessened.

Of course the people driving this mendacity understand this. The GOAL is to lessen each individual voter’s power. That means MORE power for the rulers.

I’ve really simplified this and therefore it’s not real precise. Anyone interested in the nitty gritty should look at MIT Physicist Alan Natapoff’s work on voting power.

PS There are some (allegedly) math based counter arguments. The ones I’ve read have been pathetic at a minimum, but probably sufficient to bamboozle those who don’t understand math that well...


15 posted on 07/17/2011 11:44:39 AM PDT by piytar (The Obama Depression. Say it early, say it often. Why? Because it's TRUE.)
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Why don’t they just go all the way and only allow one party on the ballot?

There is a reason why the founding fathers created a republic and not a democracy. A pure democracy is mob rule. Two wolfs and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner.

This is a power grab pure and simple.


17 posted on 07/17/2011 11:47:12 AM PDT by CIB-173RDABN (California does not have a money problem, it has a spending problem.)
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Hmmm. So, in 2004, CA would have gone to Bush? LOL! There would have been riots in the streets....


18 posted on 07/17/2011 11:47:45 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Oh, well, any excuse to buy a new gun is good enough for me.)
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You have to admire the ingenuity of the left in coming up with ways to trash the Constitution- they get nothing, if not kudos for imagination!


25 posted on 07/17/2011 11:59:16 AM PDT by 13Sisters76 ("It is amazing how many people mistake a certain hip snideness for sophistication. " Thos. Sowell)
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what of my wife’s and my votes?

they never count in a post-baby boomer,

socialist californicate.


29 posted on 07/17/2011 12:04:51 PM PDT by ken21 (liberal + rino progressive media hate palin, bachman, cain...)
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The California communists liberals are trying to further destroy this State.
38 posted on 07/17/2011 12:47:43 PM PDT by Logical me
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So in a nationally close election every graveyard in Chicago, every election official's trunk in Washington state and every half blind election judge in Florida will be turning in Democrat ballots as quickly as they can produce them in the first couple weeks of November.

Limit vote fraud to as small of region as possible, so (as others have stated) have two at large electors in a state plus one for the winner in each Congressional district. The Chicago undead-American voters can only affect Illinois's two at large electors and a few districts near their graveyards rather than all 538 electoral votes.

40 posted on 07/17/2011 12:52:46 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (The Dems demanding shared sacrifice are like Aztec priests doing it while cutting out my heart.)
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And if those “little states” were all represented by blacks and illegals, Kalifornia would be just FINE with it!!!!


41 posted on 07/17/2011 12:59:00 PM PDT by Oldpuppymax
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This legislation, already adopted in eight other states, would award the electoral votes of participating states to the candidate who wins the nation's popular vote.
Since it's easier for a Republican to win the nationwide popular vote than it is for him to win the California vote, wouldn't this just make it more likely that the California Electoral votes would go to the Republican?
46 posted on 07/17/2011 1:09:33 PM PDT by Johnny B.
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It’s unconstitutional to me, because it effectively means that the several states have NO significance..


51 posted on 07/17/2011 2:01:20 PM PDT by ken5050 (Save the earth..it's the ONLY planet with CHOCOLATE!!!)
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All of the large states must be broken up (for electoral purposes) such that no state (electoral district) can control more that 5% of the electoral college.


55 posted on 07/17/2011 2:10:00 PM PDT by Thom Pain (Raising Tax RATES decreases Tax REVENUES. Spread the word.)
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If your a conservative in California voting is like dry sex. You think your doing something but it really doesn’t count.

California is controlled by homosexuals, public employees union, hollywood leftist, and mexicans (illegal or otherwise). and young morons. The black population is of diminishing influence even though they are solidly in the commie column when it comes to voting.

It is hopeless. The price you pay for the weather is extreme but I dont have so many years to live and no kids so will just gut it out and watch the remaining destruction.


57 posted on 07/17/2011 2:18:39 PM PDT by Breto (never accept the premise)
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This is the only way you’ll see CA Electorial College votes go to a Republican.


78 posted on 07/17/2011 2:50:47 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Pelosi: Obamacare indulgences for sale.)
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