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I LOVE tossing hand granades into these conversastions. It always smokes out the neaderthals.

Whales are magnificent, highly intelligent animals and in today’s society there is no need to kill them. They are not undergoing any population explosion or posing any threats to anyone. You want to eat a wild animal? Go take out some deer or black bears and do us a real service. We have too many of them, they are a health threat and public menace and they taste great. Leave the whales alone.

“Further, whales are capable of multiplying until they deplete their food resources.”

I guess they couldn’t exist until we started hunting them then. (Sarcasm).

“In other words, your argument is just as dumb as PETA screaming that we should all be vegans and seeking global government to enforce their human population control preferences.”

Just demonstrating your neaderthal thought train again. I hate PETA, am defintely NOT a vegan (when did YOU eat whale meat?)approve of hunting, have done so myself, but have an issue with killing whales. O.K.?

“The planet can benefit as a whole from intelligent management, supporting both more people and more wildlife. “

True. But I know of NO evidence that the whale population is either a threat to us or anyone else at present.

“Humans are the only species capable of prospective intervention, but the one thing in our way is this idiotic idea that Nature is self-optimizing, as if the system was capable of prospective volition. It doesn’t work that way.”

O.K. How did nature get along before we arrived on the scene then? What you are saying applies in specific situations but not with respect to whales. The situation is not analogous to deer, bear, coyotes or other game animals or pests.

“Grow up. “

I grew up a lot longer ago than you did, and based on your comments, you still have a lot of growing up to do.

I LOVE tossing hand granades into these conversastions. It always smokes out the neaderthals.

You pass for a liberal. A mass of ignorant condescension, replete with spelling errors.

You REALLY don't know whom you are addressing. I've spent twenty years doing native plant habitat restoration, starting well before the subject was taught at the universities. I've also written two books on the topic and have been invited to publish technical papers on our results. I own the first business method patent on a free-market environmental management business method. Neanderthal? ROTFLMAO.

Stick it idiot.

Whales are magnificent, highly intelligent animals and in today’s society there is no need to kill them.

Yes they are intelligent. Yes they are magnificent. So are seals. So are octopus. You, on the other hand, are an idiot.

They are not undergoing any population explosion or posing any threats to anyone.

That is a totally subjective assessment. All I am saying is that to optimize the system they will have to be managed.

I guess they couldn’t exist until we started hunting them then. (Sarcasm).

Obviously not. But it does mean that they go through boom and bust cycles without management, like almost any other species. Do you think starving whales are a good thing?

I repeat: Idiot.

Thank you for proving yourself incapable of reading. I didn't say you approved of PETA, et al. I said you were just as dumb, which you have been only too happy to confirm.

True. But I know of NO evidence that the whale population is either a threat to us or anyone else at present.

Oh, so determining optimal whale populations is the exclusive province of people like you who want them for entertainment? I see. What made you as knowledgeable as people who depend upon whale productivity for their livelihoods and interact with them every day? Who made you king?

O.K. How did nature get along before we arrived on the scene then?

Not as well as you think. People are just as capable of augmenting system productivity as they are capable of destroying it. There is no such thing as a "balance of nature." It is an urban myth.