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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker
I was posting during the spring that if you want to win a shutdown, you have to have a serious plan to make Obama own it, unlike Newt in 1995.

When messages are floating around like the limit doesnt have to be raised at all, or that the average voter wants a shutdown, that makes it harder to stay focused on getting Obama the blame so he caves. Then you got individual congress members boasting on TV that they will not vote for any extension, playing right into Dems plan to convince they public who wants the shutdown.

Democrat are much more focused than Republicans from day 1 and every day on the goal:”Make Republicans own the shutdown so they get crushed”. Republicans are all over the place.

Alternatively if Republicans use their cave plan they must make Obama own the debt, But Obama already has his story on that, that he 'tried' with the phony offer.

145 posted on 07/15/2011 1:25:14 PM PDT by sickoflibs (If you pay zero Federal income taxes, don't say you are paying your 'fair share')
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To: sickoflibs

” When messages are floating around like the limit doesnt have to be raised at all, or that the average voter wants a shutdown, that makes it harder to stay focused on getting Obama the blame so he caves. Then you got individual congress members boasting on TV that they will not vote for any extension, playing right into Dems plan to convince they public who wants the shutdown.”

Stuck on stupid


190 posted on 07/15/2011 5:24:33 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: sickoflibs
Democrat are much more focused than Republicans from day 1 and every day on the goal:”Make Republicans own the shutdown so they get crushed”. Republicans are all over the place.

Right, to succeed they have to work as a team, with a leader who has an effective plan. I can admire conservatives voting their conscience, and maybe by virtue of their campaign promises they don't have any choice. But if that results in Pelosi being speaker in 2013 I am going to throw up.

197 posted on 07/15/2011 6:53:35 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Budget sins can be fixed. Amnesty is irreversible.)
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