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The Redistricting Commission – Worse Than I Could Possibly Imagine
The Flash Report ^ | July 14, 2011 | Tom Del Beccaro, Chairman, California Republican Party

Posted on 07/14/2011 2:22:00 PM PDT by americanophile

The ideal of a citizens’ commission is good. We should not have politicians picking their voters. Voters should pick their politicians and perhaps the districts lines in which they run. But ideals often prove impractical. In the case of the Citizens Redistricting Commission, impractical would be an upgrade.

When I testified in front of the Commission in March of this year, I warned them of the voters’ cynicism – the sense of many that their vote doesn't count because district lines are rigged and the system, i.e. gerrymandering, is unfair. I asked them not to hire a line-drawing firm that did not have the experience required and noted that what experience it had was too partisan.

After the Commission discarded my advice and that of many others, I publicly decried the Commission’s process for hiring Q2 in an article entitled Caesar’s Wife and the Redistricting Commissions. From the original no bid contract attempt to hire them, to the dumbing down of the Commission’s so-called qualification standards, to disqualifying their competition, The Rose Institute, on bogus grounds, to not disqualifying Q2 – the Commission’s hiring of Q2 was beyond suspect.

Many, like me, believed that Q2’s limited experience drawing lines (just 19 districts drawn, covering 2 separate jurisdictions) meant that they were not up to the job. But how bad could it be? They only had to draw 177 districts in the largest state in the Union amongst the stare of partisanship and the glare of the Internet/Cable Age? How bad? Worse than I could possibly imagine.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: california; caredistricing; prop11; prop20; q2; redistricting
Another disaster in the making.
1 posted on 07/14/2011 2:22:06 PM PDT by americanophile
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To: americanophile

Americans should make a strategic retreat from the state. It is gone past hope.


2 posted on 07/14/2011 2:23:24 PM PDT by screaminsunshine (Socialism...Easier said than done.)
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To: americanophile
End Near for Zimbabwe's Last White Farmers

They failed to see the writing on the wall.

3 posted on 07/14/2011 2:30:47 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard

LOL!


4 posted on 07/14/2011 2:32:25 PM PDT by americanophile ("this absurd theology of an immoral Bedouin, is a rotting corpse which poisons our lives" - Ataturk)
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To: americanophile

I would be interested to hear his other examples, which he claims are worse as well as his alternatives.

Right now the new plan ios a big improvment over the old lines.


5 posted on 07/14/2011 2:34:55 PM PDT by Michael.SF. (When you hear hooves, think horses, not zebras.)
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To: americanophile

I would be interested to hear his other examples, which he claims are worse as well as his alternatives.

Right now the new plan is a big improvment over the old lines.


6 posted on 07/14/2011 2:35:08 PM PDT by Michael.SF. (When you hear hooves, think horses, not zebras.)
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To: Michael.SF.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2748674/posts


7 posted on 07/14/2011 2:44:01 PM PDT by americanophile ("this absurd theology of an immoral Bedouin, is a rotting corpse which poisons our lives" - Ataturk)
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To: americanophile

Draw horizontal lines from the Eastern edge to the Western edge all the way from North to South each containing equal populations.

No fuss, no politics, no worry.


8 posted on 07/14/2011 2:50:29 PM PDT by PhilosopherStone1000
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To: Michael.SF.
Right now the new plan ios a big improvment over the old lines.

As a resident of one of the (formerly Republican) Ventura County districts, I strongly disagree. It looks like a new kind of Democrat gerrymandering to me.

9 posted on 07/14/2011 2:54:23 PM PDT by Bernard Marx
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To: Bernard Marx
"The 54th Democratic seat is a doozy, but it does the job. The district begins in part of Rancho Cucamonga in San Bernardino County, then it crosses the county line to absorb Claremont in Los Angeles County, then it leapfrogs over community after community to settle in deeply Democratic Pasadena, providing the necessary voters for the 54th seat. Now this is all quite unconstitutional since the law says you are not supposed to bypass adjacent population for far distant population, but this Commission ignores the law when it is inconvenient. This district unites communities like Rancho Cucamonga and Pasadena that have never in history been in the same district. So much for constitutional line drawing."

http://foxandhoundsdaily.com/blog/tony-quinn/9196-congratulations-speaker-perez-%E2%80%93-but-watch-out-for-that-referendum

10 posted on 07/14/2011 2:57:06 PM PDT by americanophile ("this absurd theology of an immoral Bedouin, is a rotting corpse which poisons our lives" - Ataturk)
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To: Bernard Marx
Give us some examples to consider as well as alternatives.
11 posted on 07/14/2011 3:03:54 PM PDT by Michael.SF. (When you hear hooves, think horses, not zebras.)
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To: Bernard Marx
The question really is: are we better off now or worse off?

No reconfigured system will be perfect, and I agree that trading Simi Valley for Malibu would make sense. But before we shoot this proposed reconfiguration, and it is just that, proposed, not final, consider these Congressional districts on the old map:

North - 7, 10, 11, 18
South - 23, 24, 27, 46

I am not real happy with my district (previous 7), but it is better than it was.

For those unhappy I would like to see the lines that cause issues.

12 posted on 07/14/2011 3:27:01 PM PDT by Michael.SF. (When you hear hooves, think horses, not zebras.)
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To: americanophile

I hate gerrymandering, regardless of which party does it.

I think the rule should be that existing county/city lines MUST be used, except when it’s necessary to subdivide a city. Those subdivisions must be entirely within the city limits and must follow major roads. You should be able to accurately describe the boundaries in one sentence.

It would look something like this: District 1 is County X plus the City of Y north of Road A. District 2 is the city of Y south of Road A. District 3 is Counties D, E, and F.

AND, it should require a 2/3 majority to change it.


13 posted on 07/14/2011 3:48:11 PM PDT by Terabitten ("Don't retreat. RELOAD!!" -Sarah Palin)
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CHICAGO'S 4th DISTRICT.
14 posted on 07/14/2011 4:39:33 PM PDT by 4Liberty (88% of Americans are NON-UNION. We value honest, peaceful Free trade-NOT protectionist CARTELS)
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TEXAS Congressional DISTRICTS...
15 posted on 07/14/2011 4:41:54 PM PDT by 4Liberty (88% of Americans are NON-UNION. We value honest, peaceful Free trade-NOT protectionist CARTELS)
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To: Michael.SF.
The question is: are you better off with the Commission, or with the Legislature drawing the lines? With Dems controlling both houses and the Governor's chair, you're better off with the Commission.

(b) The population of all congressional districts of a particular type shall be reasonably equal. After following this criterion, the Legislature shall adjust the boundary lines according to the criteria set forth and prioritized in paragraphs (2), (3), (4), and (5) of subdivision (d) of Section 2. The Legislature shall issue, with its final map, a report that explains the basis on which it made its decisions in achieving compliance with these criteria and shall include definitions of the terms and standards used in drawing its final map.

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(d) The commission shall establish single-member districts for the Senate, Assembly, and State Board of Equalization pursuant to a mapping process using the following criteria as set forth in the following order of priority:

(1) Districts shall comply with the United States Constitution. Senate, Assembly, and State Board of Equalization districts shall have reasonably equal population with other districts for the same office, except where deviation is required to comply with the federal Voting Rights Act or allowable by law.

(2) Districts shall comply with the federal Voting Rights Act (42 U.S.C.Sec. 1971 and following).

(3) Districts shall be geographically contiguous.

(4) The geographic integrity of any city, county, city and county, neighborhood, or community of interest shall be respected to the extent possible without violating the requirements of any of the preceding subdivisions. Communities of interest shall not include relationships with political parties, incumbents, or political candidates.

(5) To the extent practicable, and where this does not conflict with the criteria above, districts shall be drawn to encourage geographical compactness such that nearby areas of population are not bypassed for more distant population.

(6) To the extent practicable, and where this does not conflict with the criteria above, each Senate district shall be comprised of two whole, complete, and adjacent Assembly districts, and each Board of Equalization district shall be comprised of 10 whole, complete, and adjacent Senate districts.

(e) The place of residence of any incumbent or political candidate shall not be considered in the creation of a map. Districts shall not be drawn for the purpose of favoring or discriminating against an incumbent, political candidate, or political party.

...

(3) The Supreme Court shall give priority to ruling on a petition for a writ of mandate or a writ of prohibition filed pursuant to paragraph (2). If the court determines that a final certified map violates this Constitution, the United States Constitution, or any federal or state statute, the court shall fashion the relief that it deems appropriate.

So, if Del Baccaro submits a map that breaks fewer city and county lines than the one the commission approves, he should easily win in court, no? Too bad they define "community of interest" by what it isn't rather than what it is. I'm guessing "neighborhood" is similarly fuzzy.

16 posted on 07/14/2011 6:10:07 PM PDT by scrabblehack
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To: americanophile
It's bad enough that they're skipping release of interim lines they're supposed to release and going right to the final versions to meet some August deadline.

I shouldn't be surprised the Left found a way to game the citizen's redistricting commissions at every level.

17 posted on 07/14/2011 7:19:45 PM PDT by newzjunkey
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To: newzjunkey
they're skipping release of interim lines they're supposed to release and going right to the final versions

The preliminary maps have been posted for several weeks: we draw the lines.

18 posted on 07/15/2011 8:41:37 AM PDT by Michael.SF. (When you hear hooves, think horses, not zebras.)
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To: scrabblehack
Agree. Community of interest is vague and can be used to benefit some at the price of others. But overall from the lines for the Calif. Congressional districts that I have seen they seem to be pretty fair.
19 posted on 07/15/2011 8:46:29 AM PDT by Michael.SF. (When you hear hooves, think horses, not zebras.)
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To: scrabblehack
Agree. Community of interest is vague and can be used to benefit some at the price of others. But overall from the lines for the Calif. Congressional districts that I have seen they seem to be pretty fair.
20 posted on 07/15/2011 8:46:30 AM PDT by Michael.SF. (When you hear hooves, think horses, not zebras.)
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