He was NEVER there Charlie. The guy is a social ib, fiscal conservative - sort of.
We have a plague of them hereabouts in New Jersey.
Besides, he’s from a long line of polygamists and qualifies as a Mormon aristocrat (great-great grandson of one of Smith’s “apostles,” Parley Pratt).
His grandparents fled to Chihuahua, Mexico to flee the anti-polygamy laws adopted in Utah.
Willard has heard all the stories. They are part of his heritage.