They are *NOW*. They were NOT then. You overlook the strength of this argument. Hawaii is put into the position of having to argue that a document it previously considered inadequate for it's own use, must now be accepted by everyone else because THEY SAY SO. You are putting the "change by whim" policy of Hawaii over the constitutional obligation to secure the truth. Any Judge that thinks a State Bureaucrat ought to be able to decide The Nation's qualification's for President on their say so, is an IDIOT. (Probably a Clinton or Carter appointee. Those are ALL idiots.)
There have been well over 100 judges who have presided over pre-trial and trial hearings and appeals for Obama eligiblity lawsuits. No judge or panel of justices has requested that Hawaii present an original birth certificate. I just don’t see that happening. If either Obama’s attorneys or a plaintiff suing Obama’s attorneys want to get a court order for a copy of the original document, that is permissible under Hawaii law.
The Judges have blocked every attempt to get the matter into court by asserting the ridiculous notion that No individual citizen is injured by a false President. These activities convince me that they are DESPERATE to avoid this issue, mainly because they are terrified of where it will lead. By the way, Hawaiian law says a birth certificate can be provided to any election official who requests it for the purpose of an election. Of course if the state won't certified it as original, that is a pointless exercise.
Zero’s position is that he is the first candidate to ever place a copy of his birth certificate on the web and its been there since April of 2008. If anybody wants to see it, click a mouse. And now if anyone wants to see a copy of his long form, go to whitehouse.gov
And neither one will tell you that you are seeing the real thing. THAT is the entire problem. Hawaii WILL NOT assure anyone that what they are seeing is genuine. They keep certifying it with lawyer "cop-out" words rather than a punishable by perjury statement. Till someone puts their neck on the line and claims under penalty of law that it is a "true and correct copy of the original record..." as far as i'm concerned they are wasting everyone's time. Proof that isn't proof is useless.
“They are *NOW*. They were NOT then. You overlook the strength of this argument. Hawaii is put into the position of having to argue that a document it previously considered inadequate for it’s own use, must now be accepted by everyone else because THEY SAY SO. You are putting the “change by whim” policy of Hawaii over the constitutional obligation to secure the truth. Any Judge that thinks a State Bureaucrat ought to be able to decide The Nation’s qualification’s for President on their say so, is an IDIOT. (Probably a Clinton or Carter appointee. Those are ALL idiots.)”
The state of Hawaii has stood by the documents that they have released since 2008. They have consistently stated that the short form COLB is the official birth certificate of the state of Hawaii since 2001 when they digitized their birth records.
I know of no state’s election officials (Secretary of State or other Chief Elections Official) who has requested an original copy of Zero’s birth certificate, do you know of any such request?
“The Judges have blocked every attempt to get the matter into court by asserting the ridiculous notion that No individual citizen is injured by a false President. These activities convince me that they are DESPERATE to avoid this issue, mainly because they are terrified of where it will lead. By the way, Hawaiian law says a birth certificate can be provided to any election official who requests it for the purpose of an election. Of course if the state won’t certified it as original, that is a pointless exercise.”
When Judges (including the Supreme Court of the United States) deny or dismiss a civil action or an appeal on pre-trial motions, the issue was still “in court.” There have been 41 state and federal Appellate Court rulings and the Appellate Courts have operated in every instance in the exact way that Appellate courts operate to adjudicate all appeals.
“And neither one will tell you that you are seeing the real thing. THAT is the entire problem. Hawaii WILL NOT assure anyone that what they are seeing is genuine. They keep certifying it with lawyer “cop-out” words rather than a punishable by perjury statement. Till someone puts their neck on the line and claims under penalty of law that it is a “true and correct copy of the original record...” as far as i’m concerned they are wasting everyone’s time. Proof that isn’t proof is useless.”
Well that’s one point of view. Another is that the four statements issued by the state of Hawaii are definitive and exact. That doesn’t mean that everyone will accept them.
The former Director of Health issued two statements including one that pronounced Zero a “natural born American citizen,” the former Governor announced that he was born at Kapiolani Hospital in Honolulu, and the current Health Director announced that she has released two hard “certified copies of his original Certificate of Live Birth, which is sometimes referred to in the media as a ‘long form’ birth certificate.”
Hawaii Health Director Loretta Fuddy also stated that: “I have seen the original records filed at the Department of Health and attest to the authenticity of the certified copies the department provided to the President that further prove the fact that he was born in Hawaii.”
Now all of the above may not be proof enough for you and some other people but it obviously is proof enough for those folks who could intervene officially into this issue.
“The state of Hawaii has said that he was born there. That’s good enough for me.”—John Boehner, Speaker of the House
“I don’t think it’s an issue that we need to address at all It is not an issue that even needs to be on the policy-making table right now whatsoever.”—Representative Eric Cantor, House Repubican Majority Leader
“Do you question his(Zero’s) faith and citizenship?”
“I don’t, and those are distractions. What we’re concerned about is the economy. And we’re concerned about the policies coming out of his administration and what he believes in terms of big government or private sector. So, no, the faith, the birth certificate, others can engage in that kind of conversation. It’s distracting. It gets annoying and let’s just stick with what really matters.”—Governor Sarah Palin (R-AL)