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To: DiogenesLamp

“This statement establishes that there *IS* some sort of birth certificate. It does not establish that is a normal ordinary one.

1.”Original vital records” is an interesting choice of words. The plural form of the word “record” might be a slip of the tongue, but if not it seems odd to me that there would be more than one record. The plural form implies something is not as it should be. I would think that most people have ONE birth record. Why would there be two or more?

2.Her statement that he was “born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen.” is a non sequitur. It presumes that a Person trained in Medicine would have competence regarding Constitutional law, which she very likely does not. It is just “mouthing off.”

3. Nothing in her statement precludes the possibility that his original record is a “born at home” affidavit. It also doesn’t establish if she will intentionally call a court ordered replacement birth certificate “original” or not. Clarification is needed on these points.

Yes, we have proof he was born here but we can’t show it to anybody, but you can rely on our word for it. Such a dodge should not be TOLERATED regarding a question of eligibility for the President of the United States. It is a case of the tail wagging the dog. At least one state needs to do due diligence in this matter on the next election.”

The current Hawaii Health Department Director was a bit more explicit: “The Hawai’i State Health Department recently complied with a request by President Barack Obama for certified copies of his original Certificate of Live Birth, which is sometimes referred to in the media as a “long form” birth certificate.
“We hope that issuing certified copies of the original Certificate of Live Birth to President Obama will end the numerous inquiries related to his birth in Hawai’i,” Hawai’i Health Director Loretta Fuddy said. “I have seen the original records filed at the Department of Health and attest to the authenticity of the certified copies the department provided to the President that further prove the fact that he was born in Hawai’i.”

Either a grand jury investigation or a congressional investigation along with a judge’s court order for release of any and all original birth records might well provide answers to your questions and doubts, however no one seems very interested in either of those approaches to final resolution.
From what I can tell, the judiciary and the legislative branch have taken the comments of Hawaii officials at literal face value.
For example: “The state of Hawaii has said that he was born there. That’s good enough for me.”—Speaker John Boehner

“I don’t think it’s an issue that we need to address at all. It is not an issue that even needs to be on the policy-making table right now whatsoever.”—Majority Leader Cantor


266 posted on 07/15/2011 11:58:12 AM PDT by jh4freedom
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To: jh4freedom
The current Hawaii Health Department Director was a bit more explicit: “The Hawai’i State Health Department recently complied with a request by President Barack Obama for certified copies of his original Certificate of Live Birth, which is sometimes referred to in the media as a “long form” birth certificate. “We hope that issuing certified copies of the original Certificate of Live Birth to President Obama will end the numerous inquiries related to his birth in Hawai’i,” Hawai’i Health Director Loretta Fuddy said. “I have seen the original records filed at the Department of Health and attest to the authenticity of the certified copies the department provided to the President that further prove the fact that he was born in Hawai’i.”

She is not under oath, so she can insinuate or flat out lie if she wishes.Public statements are like swearing with your fingers crossed. It doesn't count. What is stamped on the certificate itself is that it is a copy of an "Abstract of the Record on file." Earlier stamps on other birth certificates said: " A True and Correct Copy of the Original Record." Note the lawyer weasel language of the former? The language on Obama's certificate grants no assurance.

Either a grand jury investigation or a congressional investigation along with a judge’s court order for release of any and all original birth records might well provide answers to your questions and doubts, however no one seems very interested in either of those approaches to final resolution. From what I can tell, the judiciary and the legislative branch have taken the comments of Hawaii officials at literal face value. For example: “The state of Hawaii has said that he was born there. That’s good enough for me.”—Speaker John Boehner

“I don’t think it’s an issue that we need to address at all. It is not an issue that even needs to be on the policy-making table right now whatsoever.”—Majority Leader Cantor

You are neglecting the political angle of their pronouncements. Hillary dared no bring the issue up for fear of alienating her black constituents, without which she could not possibly have won. McCain failed to bring it up because people would have perceived HIM as having the lesser claim to citizenship. After Obama got away with it, people would look like fools if they suddenly said "but...but...but... He's not eligible!" I can safely say most people are more concerned with their political livelihood and not inviting scorn from the Media than they are on what they may very well regard as a trivial and outdated Constitutional provision that they don't even understand very well. It really is the "Emperor's new clothes" phenomenon. They would all just prefer that Obama go away without anyone pointing out that they were ignorant fools.

290 posted on 07/15/2011 7:49:46 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Obama hides behind the Grass Skirts of Hawaiian Bureaucrats.)
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