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To: fluffdaddy

If you’ve been reading posts by Texans, Gardasil and the Corridor are NOT the only two problems with Perry. I’m not going to waste my time listing them AGAIN because you obviously don’t want to listen. A small start would be doing a search yourself for his version of the DREAM Act, illegals, Al Gore, and using tax dollars for his own personal use.


32 posted on 07/10/2011 6:51:12 AM PDT by bgill
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To: bgill
If you've been following the conversation at all either you know full well that the grab bag of complaints you mention are all even more insubstantial than the Gardasil and TTC matters or you're seriously delusional. Perry's points of vulnerability were thoroughly explored in last year's campaign and there's very little there there. You are harping on trivia and it's long past time to stop.

A limited government conservative is going to have some problems with anybody who ever had substantial responsibility for running a government. Governors have to govern; they have to run a modern, bloated state that is deeply involved in private matters as it runs schools, finances health care, constructs infrastructure, etc., ad infinitum.

That's why conservative and libertarian voters tend to fall in love with obscure Congressmen (and women) every presidential election year. Consider John Ashbrooke, Phil Crane, Duncan Hunter, Ron Paul and Michelle Bachmann, just to name a few. A member of Congress can snipe from the sidelines and never get too soiled by close association with the monster they are part of. Governors and Presidents don't have that luxury.

But an ideologically appealing Congressman is never going to win a GOP nomination, let alone a national election. Anyone who has been a Governor will have some scars, but those are the price of admission to the presidential game. An unmarked candidate is an unserious candidate, so you had best learn to live with the scars.

Perry has remarkably few. There is no rational conservative case to be made for the proposition that he's not an acceptable presidential candidate. His most recent book makes his ideological orientation very clear and nothing in his record is so inconsistent with that orientation as to cast real doubt on his conservative credentials.

People who want to brand him as a “RINO” are doing us all a disservice, usually because they want to promote some candidate who hasn't got the proverbial snowball's chance or some potential candidate who may very well never run. That's just juvenile and stupid.

Unless Sarah Palin chooses to run, Rick Perry is going to be the only game in town for conservatives. That's the reality we all have to deal with. Picking nits just isn't productive.

40 posted on 07/10/2011 7:44:02 AM PDT by fluffdaddy (Who died and made the Supreme Court God?)
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To: bgill
DREAM Act, illegals, Al Gore, and using tax dollars for his own personal use.

DREAM ACT -- I guess you'll have to take on the entire Texas Senate on that one:

Gov. Perry and The Texas Dream Act

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It’s important to point out that there is a huge difference in the Texas Dream Act and the The Dream Act that was pushed in Congress and failed. The Dream Act in Congress was full of all kinds of goodies other than allowing children of illegals to receive in state tuition. The Texas Dream Act was focused only on that. I happen to agree with The Texas Dream Act, and so did everyone in the Senate in Texas. It passed with ZERO “no” votes. Add to that, it has been proven to be successful.

These are a few things you need to know about the [2001] Texas Dream Act. The child has to have lived in Texas the three years leading up to high school graduation. These students are given no special treatment in getting into Texas colleges and universities. They must get in on their own merit. They are paying the tuition (with or without financial aid). It’s estimated that these students make up about 1% of those entering college.

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Most of us agree that border control MUST be dealt with first. The problem with all other efforts on this issue in the past is that the borders were not sealed. If there is anyone who we can trust to do that it is Gov. Perry (if he decides to run for President). He knows what goes on down at the border. He has gone there many times. He knows what needs to be done. There is no doubt in my mind that if he were President, he would seal our borders. But Perry also understands Hispanic outreach.

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AL GORE -- (Tipper stuck around longer than most -- but then she left too) -- Rick Perry, like Ronald Reagan, Phil Gramm, along with many others, switched to the GOP. Perry was Al Gore's TX campaign manager in the 1988 Democratic Party presidential primary that was won by Michael Dukakis. Perry was a conservative democrat and moved to the GOP in 1989 and ran against Jim Hightower for the Agriculture Commission and won.

Rick Perry: Al Gore's gone to Hell

Perry does not believe there is valid scientific proof of anthropogenic global warming. He has said several times that there is no scientific consensus on the issue.

On September 7, 2007 Perry gave a speech to California Republicans. He said, "Virtually every day another scientist leaves the global warming bandwagon. ... But you won't read about that in the press because they have already invested in one side of the story."

ILLEGALS and spending tax dollars for personal use....

You'll have to be more specific bgill. Just throwing stuff out there but not elaborating because you're just so tired isn't going to cut it.

I'm all ears.

41 posted on 07/10/2011 7:44:08 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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