BradtotheBone, we like this image of Sarah and Reagan as well.
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Posted on 07/09/2011 8:01:08 PM PDT by BradtotheBone
Edited on 07/09/2011 8:45:16 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
Hogwash. The 2T deal has been under discussion for weeks.
The MSM hyped the 4T the last couple of days so that they could now say Boehner "caved". 2T is what Boehner has been going for all along.
You know what. I take my sorry back. This guy is folding just like he always does. I see PR is working fine. They lie, PR firm lies and we move downward to more destruction of America.
First we have to find out, How many times he cried?
1) First time when he used White house Toilet.
2) First cleaned with WH logo tissue paper.
3) First time flush toilet.
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Boehner is one person. The Senate and President are controlled by Democrats. In order to stop the drunken spending, Republicans need to be in control of all three branches. We are not there.
LOL Good one.
BradtotheBone, we like this image of Sarah and Reagan as well.
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I don’t really see much folding going on with this article, there’s still plenty of opportunity for crybaby to fold so I’m in no rush to defend him; but seriously, the idea of making any long term binding agreements with this administration is nonsense. Nothing will be done about anything until we have a republican in the white house, if then.
Not so. Boehner rejected the illusory larger Obama deal that included tax hikes. The smaller deal is to be made up solely of spending cuts.
All it would take is an interest rate hike and the “savings” would go poof !!!!
Don’t raise the debt !!!
We won the election and they spit on us.
That’s about the size of it.
That's an easy solution, but it's not going to lead you to the Promised Land. The best solution is to GET INVOlVED with your local Republican Party (aka "INFILTRATE").
That's what my wife and I did, and it's been a TREMENDOUS experience.
You can't just stomp around when things don't go 100% your way, you've got to dig in for the long haul. And you've got to be ready to lose some battles along the way.
But one thing I promise you - if you get involved you'll make the best friends you'll ever have, and the victories will start to come with greater regularity.
>>Boehner actually is avoiding Obama’s bait & switch offer.
Boehner’s $2 T cut plan is with no tax increases or deduction removals which most of us do not want in any debt ceiling deal.<<
Finally, a sane comment. Thank you.
>>agree 1000%- there’s to much knee-jerk reaction in many of these threads rather than thinking it through...a shorter deal with no tax hikes is better for the GOP, and the country at this point, versus a longer deal which we know zero will not adhere to...<<
More sanity. I’m feeling better now.
They have to raise the debt ceiling. There isn’t a single proposal, by the democrats, the republicans, the tea party, or any credible conservative, that immediately cuts enough spending so that we don’t spend over the current debt limit.
We are ALREADY spending over the debt limit. Even if they could pass a budged that immediately cut spending back to revenue, we’d STILL have to raise the debt ceiling to cover the temporary measures. And as I said, NOBODY has a proposal on the table that would cut spending to existing revenue.
What we really need is a bill that includes a long-term budget that matches the new debt ceiling — a plan to ensure that we don’t hit that ceiling. And we need a debt ceiling that decreases over time, to force spending cuts over the long term to reduce our debt.
>>I agree this could be a good thing, most likely a negotiating tactic. Boehner knows that Obama is desperate to get a deal that will take debt and deficits off of the table until after 2012. A smaller $2 Trillion deal will guarantee another spending cap crisis in 2012, IMO, right in the middle of the election when raising taxes will be even more onerous for pols up for reelection!<<
Yes. Exactly.
The only thing you’re missing is that the $2 trillion would refer to budget cuts that would occur over more than just one year. To get another “spending crisis” before the 2012 election, the debt ceiling has to be raised a lot less than $2 trillion, say $.5 trillion or so. That way this whole scene gets replayed before the election and we can go for another series of cuts.
Republicans will then go into the 2012 election having succeeded in cutting spending while Dems have been arguing for increasing taxes. This should be a winning strategy given the public fear, a well-justified fear, of the rising level of government debt. numbers
Yay, more debt.
Boehner and the Republican congress can start reducing the deficit and the debt immediately by repealing ObamaCare. It should be painfully obvious to all that the nation simply cannot afford this abomination. Next, call an immediate halt to Obama’s ridiculous war on the energy sector. Bankrupting coal, oil and gas would devastate the economy and the entire country. Follow that by abolishing the EPA which is hell bent on crippling our economy and destroying jobs. And follow that with impeachment proceedings. Obama fails in his sworn duty to uphold the constitution, in fact, he’s trying to destroy it.
It’s true that the Democrats will fight all this tooth and nail, but it’s better to fight than allow these Marxist bastards to destroy what’s left of our freedom without a fight. Bring it all to a head and fight it out right up to election day. Let the people decide.
And no way in hell should the debt limit be increased! Zip up the purse strings and keep ‘em zipped!!
>>What we really need is a bill that includes a long-term budget that matches the new debt ceiling — a plan to ensure that we don’t hit that ceiling. And we need a debt ceiling that decreases over time, to force spending cuts over the long term to reduce our debt.<<
Your first two paragraphs are exactly right. We have to raise the debt ceiling eventually.
However, I disagree with your solution. We should avoid a long-term budget and just start cutting spending by lopping off entire programs in some cases and adjusting the spending of the ones we keep, such as Medicare and Social Security, so that we quickly bring the annual budget back into balance. That will stop the debt hemorrhaging we’ve experienced under both Bush and Obama (especially Obama.)
After the 2012 elections, hopefully all will be in place to put together a long-term solution that ties the Dems hands should they ever regain total control of spending again. This would get tricky, however, as it would have to be written to ensure that spending is cut rather than taxes being raised.
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