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To: reaganaut

Hi reaganaut — Never heard Lucifer referred to as the second born — he was an angel in authority in the presence of God and rebelled after his proposal to be a saviour was rejected. He was never in line to be the saviour, Jesus was chosen from the very beginning. It was never in the plan for Lucifer to be saviour. Lucifer was jealous and wanted the glory of God and ended up being cast out.

Jesus Christ was indeed the “firstborn of every creature” (Colossions 1:15) and the “only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father” (John 1:18) So Jesus has a unique relationship to the Father and is and was qualitatively different from Lucifer and any other soul.

Best regards,

Normandy


525 posted on 07/13/2011 3:05:57 PM PDT by Normandy
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To: Normandy; reaganaut
Really Norm? You have now stretched the bonds of credulity by this statement.
528 posted on 07/13/2011 3:28:57 PM PDT by svcw (democrats are liars, it's a given)
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To: Normandy; reaganaut
Hi reaganaut — Never heard Lucifer referred to as the second born

Not well read-

“We needed a Savior to pay for our sins and teach us how to return to our Heavenly Father. Our Father said, “Whom shall I send?” (Abraham 3:27). Two of our brothers offered to help. Our oldest brother, Jesus Christ, who was then called Jehovah, said, “Here am I, send me” (Abraham 3:27)...

Satan, who was called Lucifer, also came, saying, “Behold, here am I, send me, I will be thy son, and I will redeem all mankind, that one soul shall not be lost, and surely I will do it; wherefore give me thine honor” (Moses 4:1).

“Lucifer, our elder brother who desired the glory for himself, stood up and proposed his own plan. (Ensign, official Church magazine, December, 1980, pp.3-5.)

"Jesus is Gods firstborn son Lucifer is the 2nd born on down to you and I and Jesus is our elder brother.”(The Teachings of Spencer W. Kimball, p.33)

The former president of the Mormon church stated, “on the temple's pinnacles and on the high mountain, a momentous contest took place between two brothers, Jehovah and Lucifer, sons of Elohim.” (Spencer W. Kimball, Conference Report, April 1964, P.95 also Faith Precedes the Miracle, p.87)

534 posted on 07/13/2011 4:28:29 PM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: Normandy; Colofornian; Godzilla

You really aren’t paying attention then.Or are you going to throw another prophet under the bus?

Jesus is Gods firstborn son Lucifer is the 2nd born on down to you and I and Jesus is our elder brother.”(The Teachings of Spencer W. Kimball, p.33)

Um re-read your teaching about the “war in heaven”. Lucifer and Jesus were BOTH candidates to be Savior, but they gave different plans. We voted (according to Mormonism) and Jesus ‘won’ which caused Satan to rebel.

“We needed a Savior to pay for our sins and teach us how to return to our Heavenly Father. Our Father said, “Whom shall I send?” (Abraham 3:27). Two of our brothers offered to help. Our oldest brother, Jesus Christ, who was then called Jehovah, said, “Here am I, send me” (Abraham 3:27)... Satan, who was called Lucifer, also came, saying, “Behold, here am I, send me, I will be thy son, and I will redeem all mankind, that one soul shall not be lost, and surely I will do it; wherefore give me thine honor” (Moses 4:1).

“... Lucifer, a son of God in the spirit world before the earth was formed, proposed a plan under which mortals would be saved without glory and honor of God. The plan of our Savior, Jehovah, was to give to each the right to choose for himself the course he would travel to earth life and all was to be done to the honor and glory of God our heavenly father” (Stand Ye In Holy Places, p.219).

The former president of the Mormon church stated, “on the temple’s pinnacles and on the high mountain, a momentous contest took place between two brothers, Jehovah and Lucifer, sons of Elohim.” (Spencer W. Kimball, Conference Report, April 1964, P.95 also Faith Precedes the Miracle, p.87)

“The appointment of Jesus to be savior of the world was contested by one of the other sons of God. He was called Lucifer…the spirit brother of Jesus desperately tried to become the savior of mankind” (the Gospel throughout the Ages p.15)

“Long before you were born a program was developed by your creators ... The principal personalities in this great drama were a Father Elohim, perfect in wisdom, judgment, and person, and two sons, Lucifer and Jehovah.” (Teachings of Spencer W. Kimball, pp. 32-33 )

I can give you more quotes, Norm.


539 posted on 07/13/2011 5:49:21 PM PDT by reaganaut (Mormonism is spiritual prostitution.)
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