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To: BereanBrain

Absolutely! There are plenty of reasons for opposing Romney but let’s leave his personal religious affiliation out of the public debate and focus on the real issues like, as you said, RomneyCare.


181 posted on 07/10/2011 6:58:32 AM PDT by T.L.Sink
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To: T.L.Sink; BereanBrain
There are plenty of reasons for opposing Romney...

Agreed...waffling many times over on abortion, embryonic research, treating homosexual employees as a minority. Also, same-sex "marriage" occurred on his watch; RomneyCare; Board member of a porn establishment (Marriott); plus, I tend not to vote for candidates who think they are either a god or will become one.

...but let’s leave his personal religious affiliation out of the public debate...

Why? 62% of Americans don't...why are you trying to impose your position on the majority of American's who don't leave this component out?

Documentation:

A Freeper posted a Rasmussen poll less than about 4.5 years ago (late 2006) [see Election 2008: 43% Would Never Vote for Mormon Candidate (Rasmussen Poll) ].

According to that excerpt: The Rasmussen Reports survey found that 35% say that a candidate's faith and religious beliefs are very important in their voting decision. Another 27% say faith and religious beliefs are somewhat important. Ninety-two percent (92%) of Evangelical Christian voters consider a candidate's faith and beliefs important. On the partisan front, 78% of Republicans say that a candidate's faith is an important consideration, a view shared by 55% of Democrats. However, there is also a significant divide on this topic within the Democratic Party. Among minority Democrats, 71% consider faith and religious beliefs an important consideration for voting. Just 44% of white Democrats agree.

So…what % of the following groups found that a candidate’s faith and religious beliefs are an important consideration for voting?
(1) Americans: 62%
(2) Evangelical Christians: 92%
(3) Republicans: 78%
(4) Democrats: 55% [still a majority]

...and focus on the real issues...

Well, I've constantly reminded posters that when they vote, they should consider MANY things: voting record, present position statements & rampant inconsistency of past position statements, social issues' stances, character, viability, scandal-free past, etc.

But why are you & so many FREEPERS being Pollyannish about the reality of deception -- including spiritual deception?

Deception exists in the world. That's reality. And when compared to trustworthy sources of truth (the Bible), deception exists as a continuum. If we agreed that a candidate belongs to the most deceptive cult in the world, then certainly that candidate's vulnerability to deception in the most important area of his life--his faith--serves as an indicator that he/she might be more easily deceived in public policy issues. "Vulnerability to deception" belongs on a character checklist! Even one 2007 poll indicated that 54% of Americans would not vote for an atheist.

T.L. Sink: How posters like you try to get around the realization that other-worldly commitments (faith) belong in the character issue category??? To try to extract such other-worldly commitments from character is simply not possible. Time & time again folks try to hermetically seal "faith" & "religion" away from the public square as if folks checked their faith at the door or as if folks were neatly cut-up pie pieces. (ANY of you posters: Just try telling any voter that he should never weigh "character" into his/her voting-decision considerations!).

A POTUS goes beyond administrative duties. Discernment is a very important character trait...and that's not listed as a POTUS duty.

194 posted on 07/10/2011 8:48:01 AM PDT by Colofornian (The Mormon church regards 100% of the founding fathers as apostates from the 'true' church)
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To: T.L.Sink; BereanBrain; Colofornian

Absolutely! There are plenty of reasons for opposing Romney but let’s leave his personal religious affiliation out of the public debate and focus on the real issues like, as you said, RomneyCare.

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If Romney does manage to get the nom, his ‘religion’ will be front and center.

Are you going to vote for him then?

Part of the reason this country is in the mess it is in, is because of attitudes like yours that religion doesn’t matter. For Christians it SHOULD matter, because worldview affects politics.

Now, if you aren’t a Christian, then it doesn’t matter I guess.

BTW, Protestants, Catholics, and Orthodox are at least in partial communion with one another (now) so equating the 30 yrs war with Mormonism in American politics is a straw man.


218 posted on 07/10/2011 9:46:22 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: T.L.Sink; Colofornian; Elsie; svcw; Zakeet; Tennessee Nana; aMorePerfectUnion; Godzilla; ...
"Absolutely! There are plenty of reasons for opposing Romney but let’s leave his personal religious affiliation out of the public debate and focus on the real issues like, as you said, RomneyCare.

Soooo...WHY did you post this thread??

"Unbelievable: TV Reporter Mocks Romney's Mormonism"

243 posted on 07/10/2011 11:22:39 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (My God can't be bribed by money or good works or bound by manmade "covenants". Romney's can.)
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