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To: marktwain

What possible ideology could the installed associates and cronies of a US President have for running guns to criminal cartels amd marxist revolutionaries?


3 posted on 07/07/2011 5:03:05 AM PDT by silverleaf (All that is necessary for evil to succeed, is that good men do nothing)
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To: silverleaf
What possible ideology could the installed associates and cronies of a US President have for running guns to criminal cartels amd marxist revolutionaries?

Beginning to look like "aiding and abetting" is the only answer left.

8 posted on 07/07/2011 5:08:58 AM PDT by IamConservative (Do peeps that drive Smart Cars on freeways have a death wish? If not, they better have spare undies.)
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To: silverleaf

It’s pretty simple. This Admin HATES guns...and wants to exercise GUN CONTROL domestically. How better, than to get a bunch of US guns involved in MURDERS and crime, and then cry OUT for the need of gun control? Remember...this admin never wastes a crisis. Who says they won’t CREATE one to use?


25 posted on 07/07/2011 5:32:41 AM PDT by RoadieFan
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To: silverleaf

Ill assume your question isn’t rhetorical. F&F’s primary goal was to manufacture ‘evidence’ that guns from the US were causing significant problems in Mex. and the border. Therefore, it would be incumbent on Congress to draft and pass even more stringent (draconian really) gun control such as a permanent ban on ‘assault weapons’ etc etc. How do we know this was the purpose? First, the ATF had no means of tracking the weapons after they left the country. Once guns were confiscated at crime scenes in Mex there was no way to do a back trace b/c 1) the ATF never told the Mex authorities about their op and 2) the ATF had no substantial presence in Mex with which to do the leg work of sorting thru the weapons and doing the traces. In the last few days there have been news stories saying that guns from F&F have shown up in crimes scenes here. So, our own govt was in the business of abridging our rights...that quite some stmt isn’t it!! At this point the talking TV heads and pols in DC are singing the ATF had the best of intentions song. Soon though its going to become obvious just how wrong they’ve been to cover for the ATF and the Barry Soetoro administration..

Thats only half the story tho. Theres another class of weapons which haven’t been discussed much. Those would be DDs (grenades mostly I think) and select fire weapons. The SF weapons certainly wouldn’t have come from US gun dealers, they’re far too expensive, not so prevalent (most at least) and the time for a sale can be very long (months). As for the grenades found at crime scenes they’ve been proven to be of US origin via military aid. That means Mex or some other South American govt is selling its military aid (or surplus) on the black market or even directly to the drug cartels. Then there are all those weapons which originated in China, Russia etc. Basically, they’re using the drug cartels to wage war against the US and the Mex people. LOL, and the UN huffs and puffs about stopping small arms trafficking. Its their own members who are up to their eyeballs in it. I cant think of any rational reason they’d stop b/c the UN said so.


28 posted on 07/07/2011 5:38:38 AM PDT by 556x45
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To: silverleaf

“What possible ideology could the installed associates and cronies of a US President have for running guns to criminal cartels amd marxist revolutionaries?”

Communism and marxism. Quite simply...Obama is a marxist revolutionary. Using this to abolish US citizens right to bear and keep arms was only a side benefit. The big bonus was to destabilize central america for the marxists to take over. The left has long tried to promote and protect marxists in Central America. They also get money in their coffers from the drug cartels in exchange for protection.

This thing could blow sky high into a huge scandal.


56 posted on 07/07/2011 6:31:35 AM PDT by penelopesire (Let The Congressional Hearings Begin!)
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To: silverleaf
"What possible ideology could the installed associates and cronies of a US President have for running guns to criminal cartels amd marxist revolutionaries?"

The Left's position/goals on the border & guns and recent actions of those Obama cronies on those issues answers your question:

Obama Regime has Mexican President Calderon in Washington as part of his effort to 1) blame Mexico's violence on US guns 2) redefine border enforcement from stopping drugs, criminals and illegals from Mexico to stopping guns from the US.

Obama Regime misrepresents statistics to claim most guns recovered from criminals and crime scenes in Mexico were traced to the US. This was exposed as a lie because the study misrepresented showed that the vast majority of recovered guns were not even submitted to the US for tracing.

Obama tells gun control activists that they're "working on gun control under the radar.”

The Obama Regime's running of US guns into Mexico served to MANUFACTURE EVIDENCE to support its gun claims and its redefinition of border enforcement - with the obvious goal of justifying policies to undermine the 2nd Amendment and real border enforcement.
59 posted on 07/07/2011 6:36:02 AM PDT by drpix
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To: silverleaf

“What possible ideology could the installed associates and cronies of a US President have for running guns to criminal cartels amd marxist revolutionaries?”

Communism and marxism. Quite simply...Obama is a marxist revolutionary. Using this to abolish US citizens right to bear and keep arms was only a side benifit. The big bonus was to destabilize central america for the marxists to take over. The left has long tried to promote and protect marxists in Central America. They also get money in their coffers fro the drug cartels in exchange for protection.

This thing could blow sky high into a huge scandal.


64 posted on 07/07/2011 7:02:26 AM PDT by penelopesire (Let The Congressional Hearings Begin!)
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To: silverleaf

“What possible ideology could the installed associates and cronies of a US President have for running guns to criminal cartels amd marxist revolutionaries?”

Anti-gun ideology.

Because the stated purpose of these programs makes no sense whatsoever in light of the fact that once arms disappear into a foreign country the U.S. has no jurisdiction, many people believe the gunwalking programs were really an attempt to boost the statistics concerning U.S. arms being used by the Mexican drug cartels in order to lend more credibility to gun-banning attempts by the Obammunists.


121 posted on 07/07/2011 9:32:07 AM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Made from the right stuff! (Anybody but Obama for 2012!))
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To: silverleaf

In Honduras? Who is obama’s buddy in Honduras that tried to overthrow the government?


151 posted on 07/07/2011 11:47:22 AM PDT by MestaMachine (Sarah Palin is the mirror by which evil reflects back upon itself until consumed out of existence)
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To: silverleaf
What possible ideology could the installed associates and cronies of a US President have for running guns to criminal cartels and marxist revolutionaries?

Hadn't looked at it in those terms...

189 posted on 07/09/2011 7:13:17 AM PDT by GOPJ (Honk if IÂ’m paying for your car, your mortgage, and your big, fat Greek bailout - mewzilla)
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